No, it’s called stock eliminator.

you didn’t give any specifics on what your role was in the engine…just tap dancing around and a poster with a thank you on it.

refresh my memory on your contribution…I can check it either way…so let’s hear it.

 

All I'm seeing are cars on a rolling road dyno. Not sure about yours but around here it winds up being 70-ish HP from an engine dyno to a rolling road with same engine.

Have you actually ran any of those engines on an engine dyno?

 

Content definition, 3rd party sourcing, machining specifications, custom part drawings, complete engine assembly, engine dyno/calibration support, rapid deceleration testing, teardown analysis, rebuilds.

You good now?

 

No kidding Einstein…my point was these were never designed using FEA. So what do we do? Try to keep up

 

YES we have, and usually were with 10Hp see as MUSTANG didn't even offer this dyno till Velocity help design it. I believe it is still the only one in North America. It built to Velocitys design and specs. Handle 3500WHP and runs over 250MPH. As software to give WHP and ENGINE Hp, drivetrain loss and even drag race ET. and is usually pretty accurate. vehicles in the world. Our dyno has the capability to dyno test rear wheel drive, front wheel drive and all wheel drive and can handle ANY vehicle that can be driven onto it.

 

I know this doesn’t qualify as testing in your mind ,, but actually running these engines in a car at the strip where the engine mounts are being stressed under real world conditions while showing no fretting or signs of cap movement while keeping #4 main bearing looking like new…the Dyno, like your testing, can’t simulate stock motor mount location stresses…releasing trans brake or dumping the clutch is real world.

so I’ll scrap all that testing because you, want an FEA to prove its helping 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Umm your RIGHT Dale! What block, rotating assembly that MUST use 8 CW, heads, intake, cam, lifters, spring, locks, retainer, pushrods and even SPARK PLUG have this all this 600 hrs destructive testing and full analytical report, to make a pump gas 455 OLD break 600Hp?????????

Make no mistake, RW is a smart guy and can build stuff by the looks of it. We as humble peasants need to be enlighten to this knowledge to make a mild 455 pump gas street strip engine a much much better piece.

 

Dale, I was following along, and agreeing with some posts. BUT not really sure what FEA would really offer? Family Enterprise Advisor wouldn't know much about OLDS engine I fear:

https://familyenterprise.ca/fea-desi...IaAig9EALw_wcB

 

And yes, I have been involved with FINITE element analysing when I was machining US nuclear sub reactor turbines.

 

thats some real special stuff right there,, going through the trouble of re heat treating stock main cap bolts down to 55kn 🤣🤣🤣

how long did it take you to “polish the chain” ? 🙄


were you working for Ford at the time you built this engine for the Truck?

 

it may help him with getting his bullshit straight 😁

this guy is a piece of work. His name, Robin Wright does not come up anywhere in a Google search about this truck, or engine…or anything to do with it. Lots of other names, not his though.

a simple Google search shows Ford Motorsports built this truck engine in house. That’s why I asked if he worked for Ford back then and forgot.

just reading the specs he posted about the engine, you can tell he’s an internet blow hard..holy crap, take a read of that gem …polished chains? re heat treated factory bolts to 55kn? 😁


that’s what’s great about the internet, you can claim to be anyone you want..even superman.

 

yep, and when you are working on a 60’s cast block that has never been, or will ever be run through any FEA , you can’t begin to know where it needs or doesn’t need help.

it’s back too, where did it break, where did the damage occur, what do the bearing look like and why?

the you go from there and use simple logic. This started out as is there any benefit of a halo on top of stock caps. That’s a given considering the soft iron caps have a very small contact area top and bottom. Simple straps and ARP studs/washers help a bunch up top to prevent the cap from crushing of time and losing the clamping force.

stock cranks do move around quite a bit which puts lateral loading at the top of the main cap for and aft…that’s where bracing all the tops together with a halo has a benefit.

the argument has always been it’s a stupid idea because it offers little or no additional clamping load directly through stud to the main saddle..which is true in a sense. But that’s not it’s intended purpose, so that argument isn’t valid.

for what John is doing..ARP studs/washers and the halo will provide additional support and give the bearings longer life

 

Thanks Dale. THAT WAS THE POINT. For what WE are doing, and most here, the studs/washer PLUS Halo should help on these dinosaurs that MIGHT see 6000RPM's? And for how long does a street stipe deal that shifts @ 6000 or even say 6300 really in the range where **** moves.

As you can see, I'm trying to learn these OLDS deals. Got a good handle on other stuff and IF just IF I can get 75% of the reliability the other stuff has, I will be a happy camper.

 

🙄 I've seen fretting go away when stock main bolts are put back in instead of aftermarket stuff, and countless numbers of times I've heard "exactly the same as before except for one change" when bunches of changes were actually made.

 

You're a mongoloid. I worked in experimental engine at Ford for 7 years...and worked with Jeff Lyjak & George Frame (both tech specialists) on this project. If you happen to deal with Stef's you can tell Joe that you were talking to an online bullshitter named Robin Wright who said he worked on this thing & let him tell you whether I'm full of **** or not.

You may also want to Google "Rob Wright", and don't be surprised if you get hits from 2011-2015 about a racing-related project at a different place than Ford.

 

Countless times? keep digging….I don’t know how you’ll ever get out of the hole you’re in now.

wanna explain the reduction to 55kn of the factory bolts? My wood fence here has higher rated bolts than that

The chain polishing is the other neat trick…😁 I’m sure you did back to back tests to prove the gains were worth it.

and why would Ford Motorsports farm out all the engine building to you when they actually built the whole thing in house?

 

Man you are incredibly stupid. Cap bolt re-heat treat moved them UP to 55 Kn strength, not down.

Considering the primary chain tensioners having nylon surfaces that chains slide against, and considering the race was 2,000 continuous miles, with engine peaking at about 8-grand, why do you suppose we had the outside surfaces of the chains polished?

 

I just can't see how this doesn't help !

 

RW, did you work with or around "FAST" Eddie lyons?? Head of Ford SVO department? We raced against him in S/E and Pro Dragsters with his 600 inch nitrous Hemi Ford.

 

whats 55kn convert too?

 

Again, you're incredibly stupid. This wasn't "Ford Motorsports" as a knuckle-dragger like you would know it, this was Ford Truck Motorsports, and the engine was done in-house.

Honestly, the way you act makes me believe that you see what I'm saying about cranks/dampers/girdles as a threat to one of your revenue streams. Is that what is actually going on here?

 

im not googling anything more. You do it, post it here, maybe I’ll change my mind.

Post it up, I’m interested

 

12,364 lbs of force.

 

Hopefully your reading comprehension is strong enough to get you through this:
https://hotrodenginetech.com/holley-...-copo-camaros/

 

Post it up, words are cheep. Ah ok, Ford “truck” Motorsports…not Ford Motorsports. Ya got me there.

so now you’re here, hanging around an Olds forum telling us we don’t know **** because an FE analysis hasn’t been done on anything we use.

screw that..because you can’t for the reasons I mentioned which you cant deny. Keep ranting about it anyway.

 

That group had nothing to do with this, since it was not "Ford Motorsports" who commissioned it. This was Ford Powertrain Engineering, working with Ford Truck Motorsports. Different groups.

 

ill read if you tell me what I’m suppose to read,,there’s a whole pile of articles in that link..which one?

 

Yep, you really are that dumb..I didn't tell anyone they didn't know ***** you did.

What I did say, before you went on your emotional thinking blitz, is that halo girdles may or may not work, and in some cases they can make things worse.

I also said that a properly designed & processed 8-cwt crank can make problems like broken blocks go away.

Since then you've picked & poked & jabbed so it really does make me think that my saying what I am saying, and you reacting the way that you have, is threatening one of your revenue streams. Is that what's really going on here?

 

this is probably the most out of touch and dumbest thing said this year on here.

the guy is staying with his factory crank and caps. He’s adding some insurance to his bottom end.

You are a complete jackass.

 

https://www.holley.com/blog/post/hol...3_copo_camaro/

 

perfect, second dumbest remark this year. no on the crank because you have no clue what this guy wants. You just can’t get over how how a halo does have some plus’s..you have never refuted anything I’ve said other than , it’s never been tested. That’s as weak as it gets

no revenue stream for me..I don’t sell any parts.

 

Lol!! Are you the one who is selling him the girdle? Sure seems like it.

 

Then why the big knot in your *** over my saying you don't know for sure if it helps or hurts? Low on meds?

 

keep guessing,, the opposite actually.

im turning away work because I’m booked solid till middle of next year.

John is smart enough to make his own decisions. I dont sell halos.

 

because you’re a bullshitter. And you can’t pick apart anything I’ve said about what a halo does when used on the Olds.

saying it’s never been FE analyzed is just full on crap,, because of the reasons you can’t refute

ive built enough of them to see the difference..did you miss that part on purpose, or just playing dumb?

 

If you're not worried about what John does and you feel that he can decide things for himself, what is your reason for acting like a colossal ******* when someone days "it may not help.....a good crank will"?

 

OK, so when a person tells the truth then in your mind that makes them a bullshitter.

You ever consider seeing a shrink?

 

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holy f’n Christ. John’s NOT replacing his crank, he’s sticking with the same bottom end. Understand?

that means NO aftermarket crank…get it?

like I said ten times already, nobody in their right mind is going to choose between an aftermarket crank or a halo. That’s two different worlds ..being the engine guru you say you are, why is that so hard to understand?

this stock parts and helping them survive.

You opened your big yap before you understood what was being talked about… maybe think before you talk.

 

your truth🤣