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Old January 19th, 2022, 01:02 PM
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You are never in to deep
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Did you guys find one of these under your clutch fork?



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Be sure you don't have an imposter z-bar in your car. If so, the clutch pedal will never be correct because the clocking is wrong. Had this issue with my car and could not understand why the clutch pedal felt so wonky.

Imposter on the left, real deal on the right.




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Old January 19th, 2022, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by alain
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Amen; my spreadsheet gets longer and longer!
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Did you guys find one of these under your clutch fork?


Yes - it is called a seal retainer to hold grease to pivot. VERY RARE!
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Old January 19th, 2022, 08:11 PM
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Scrappie about the sweeps. I don't know if you visited the PUI website but this from their site located at:
https://www.puiinteriors.com/index.p...-weatherstrips

"Each kit comes ready to install. Most kits are also available in either Standard or Original. Standard have what some folks like to consider “improvements” to the originals, or at the very least, modifications encouraged by design or materials. However, our Original Windowfelts® are produced with materials supplied to us by the original supplier to GM, and we custom order this material to match original specifications and profiles."
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Scrappie about the sweeps. I don't know if you visited the PUI website but this from their site located at:
https://www.puiinteriors.com/index.p...-weatherstrips

"Each kit comes ready to install. Most kits are also available in either Standard or Original. Standard have what some folks like to consider “improvements” to the originals, or at the very least, modifications encouraged by design or materials. However, our Original Windowfelts® are produced with materials supplied to us by the original supplier to GM, and we custom order this material to match original specifications and profiles."
The reproduction outer fuzzies are noticeably different if you know what you’re looking at. I’m not saying they aren’t a great reproduction part. What I am saying is that a car of this caliber deserves accurate sweeps based on the level of detail in this thread.
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Thanks for the input and pics everyone.
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drive shaft resto

Got my drive shaft detailed. Thanks to Joesw31 for the detailed measurements.




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did you just sand the driveshaft and clear coat it?
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Scrappie did you have the drive shaft made locally?
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That’s awesome work
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That is a new drive shaft from TPP. Cleaned, steel wool then detail paint and clear coat.

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Just awesome

Wow just read through your whole thread wow just wow, stunning results from great craftsmanship just awesome ! Thank you for sharing
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Thanks for saying Eddie. Glad to see you back in the mix.
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Details

Your metal work was both amazing and inspiring! I have been pondering the filling of the weld seams since I put the quarters on mine ! Your lead work looked great , I have never done leading and am extremely worried about putting more heat on the sheet metal , my plan is/ was duraglass or all metal then a skim of filler .

I may give lead a shot now lol

i truly took to heart your comment about having the luxury to walk away for a bit and come back to it, also the rotisserie! I don’t have one but I’d I ever do another I will lol

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I was trying to stay as true to vintage by using lead and as little plastic as possible but with the stuff available these days, lead may be obsolete in some cases? I found the lead had a little bit of a learning curve but not too steep. The important part is tinning the metal, keeping everything as clean as possible and heat control of course. There is a lot of good video on YouTube. The lead does require a fair amount of heat. I used a plumbers torch with a diffuser tip that spread the heat rather than concentrating in one area.
I used filler on top to smooth out so there still is a use for that and always will be.
I don't think it would be as much fun if I was doing this for a living. The added pressure to meet deadlines and expectations would cause me take a different approach to things?
The rotisserie is a must have in this case!

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putting together some shiny stuff and some green stuff

I restored the headlight bases and while at it, installed new head light buckets, T3 headlights and trim. I bead blasted, primed and painted then installed new adjusters and hdw. I also mixed up a concoction of sealer and green paint to get the color of OEM material, whatever that is in order to install body plugs.





















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Scrappie have you verified that your headlight buckets bear the correct alpha digit?
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Scrappie have you verified that your headlight buckets bear the correct alpha digit?
Nope, dont know what that is?
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Here you go....Does this make sense to you?



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I never new about that. Interesting thx
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Just reviewed your recent posts; I now understand you installed new buckets and the new buckets may not have these same markings on them. I was referring to OEM buckets.
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Originally Posted by tnswt
Just reviewed your recent posts; I now understand you installed new buckets and the new buckets may not have these same markings on them. I was referring to OEM buckets.
Your correct, the new buckets do not have those markings.
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Great work! In actuality all four headlight capsules are different and were identified by letters and had different part numbers.
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I learn something everyday. Word to the wise: I bought the kit from ILT (buckets and trim rings) 2/4 buckets were wrong. I used my old ones to complete the job. I was thinking of returning but I’m thinking I would get the same if another kit was ordered. I’m thinking the people putting the kit together dont know about 4 different buckets?

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I learn something everyday. Word to the wise. I bought the kit from ILT (buckets and trim rings) 2/4 buckets were wrong. I used my old ones to complete the job. I was thinking of returning but I’m thinking I would get the same if another kit was ordered. I’m thinking the people putting the kit together dont know about 4 different buckets?
Correct, they may not know about it or they may just ignore the issue. The good news is that most of the GM headlight capsules were the same and interchange among other product lines.


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A lot of ILT stuff is not correct.

Buyer beware.
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I learned about this when I refreshed my headlight assemblies too. A tab was broken off one of the buckets; when I tightened the screw down, the bucket would rotate and slip off the screw, I contacted OldsPackRat, and it was then, I learned about the different letters on each bucket and their correct location on the car. OldsPackRat had a good, used, OEM bucket (with the correct letter) I was able to secure. Highly recommend OldsPackRat, (and joesW31 too). These guys know a wad about these cars, as do many others here.
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Originally Posted by tnswt
I learned about the different letters on each bucket and their correct location
Is this info in the assembly manual? I went out to check my buckets I have a,b,c,d thank god lol


scrappie very nice work on the headlights

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Originally Posted by Eddie Hansen
Is this info in the assembly manual?
I've not seen this information in the PIM.
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It cracks me up when I look at something like a headlight assembly and think "Wow, that's beautiful" They do look really nice, great work! Can't wait to see this when finished.
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Me too

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It cracks me up when I look at something like a headlight assembly and think "Wow, that's beautiful" They do look really nice, great work! Can't wait to see this when finished.
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We are getting old Steve , lol in days of yore you would be out in a bar look across the bar at a girl and think man those are some great headlights ! Now it’s assemblies, that said assemblies never talk back lol
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You made me laugh with that! I slight cool breeze and the headlights automatically turn on. haha

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Scrappie my man, I sent you an email....
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Scrappie my man, I sent you an email....
When? I must have missed that?
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