VC455

Well put.

Don't parcel out blame to specific politicians; blame needs to be shared. Remember that there is no stupidity to which government cannot aspire.

70cutty

Maybe, maybe not, but I'm 100% sure that no sane person would be worried about press conference ratings during a time like this.

HighwayStar 442

I learn a new lesson today! You just can not fix stupid!

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Cruiser Bob

Hillary would have done as well with the virus as she did in Bengazzi

HighwayStar 442

No love for HC. But anybody could have done a better job. Maybe someone honest!

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Bfg

In 2020 just under two million cases of cancer will occur and over 600,000 people will die. Who will we blame for this? Haven’t you realized that people are born and people will die. It’s a fact of life. Now go back into your garages and get back to wrenching on your cars!

HighwayStar 442

My family member in heath care do not have cancer. They are putting their life's on the line. To save lives!!! Anus!

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Cruiser Bob

As recent as 1-15 WHO said there was NO proof of person to person transmission, they based this on info from China, with the lies being told by China no one except them knew what was really going on. The world has not experienced anything like this since 1918

Vintage Chief

Vintage Chief

HighwayStar 442

The Mathematics of Predicting the Course of the Coronavirus 3-30-20

IN THE PAST few days, New York City’s hospitals have become unrecognizable. Thousands of patients sick with the novel coronavirus have swarmed into emergency rooms and intensive care units ---could be 660,000 Americans getting seriously ill or dying. And even with the strictest lockdown-type measures lasting from April through July, his team’s model finds that the disease surges back in autumn.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-math..._term=list1_p4

Started putting up tents in Central Park for the sick!

Went out today to get some groceries. Could not believe how many people here where out and about. Not keeping away from each other. No glove or masks. All using the door handle to the gas-covenant store. I think we all may be...... This is no longer controllable! Are people just walking around by you the same way??

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Fun71

I read an article in the news just this morning that the US emergency preparedness has known since the SARS incident in the early 2000s that the US was ill prepared for a pandemic event.

A shortage of ventilators in reserve was identified during reviews in 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2013, and 2017. The reserve was increased from 4000 in 2002 to to something like 12,000 in 2020. 10,000 more were ordered late last year and were scheduled for delivery later this year. Unfortunately we need them sooner, which is why multiple companies are collaborating on manufacturing them.

Weezer

Yep, but even a build-to-print scenario is difficult to tool up and go quickly. Getting the supply base lined up was probably the easiest part of it. Godspeed to the companies that are involved.

HighwayStar 442

Looks like Italy maybe rounding the turn for the peak. The lock down looks like it is starting to working. Less new cases. We need to do that. To get this under control.

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69HO43

If people in the US would quit being stupid and spreading it around...you shouldn't need to force a lockdown if people take it seriously. But there's way too many idiots who, just like some clowns here that love to try and instill insipid political viewpoints into their own stupid posts when they know it's against the rules, won't listen or consider others, and continue to act like this is just a big *** game and go against the grain anyway. Selfish and inconsiderate ********.

Inline

Finland as now ( wont mention confirmed cases anymore since they dont test people out there until really sure, nor is it comparable to anything due to different testing priorities) - 143 at hospital, of whom 49 at intensive care, and 13 deaths so far.

Comparing to Sweden, our western neighbour. They have really similiar society than us, and also there the Corona has spread most at Capital area. They have a population of 10.1 millions versus our 5.6 millions. Only meaningful difference seems to be, they havent imbosed any restrictions due to pandemic, until recently, and really mild ones, versus our semi-heavy restrictions. They have currently 110 deaths versus our 13. Almost 9 times more deaths, or: if halving that 110 by two due to population difference, its still 4 times more deaths. In one way this is pretty good insight to compare effectiveness of different ways to battle the pandemic, due to really similiar societies, geographical location, first cases occured roughly same time, plus both have centre of pandemic on their capital area.

Bunser

I'm not hearing any good news on the virus front in the U.S. today. Rumoured that a few people were going to hold a wedding in New Jersey and were arrested. (Very possibly true.) Also a fellow in Tampa arrested for holding a gathering of approx. 1200 people last Sunday. In NYC, discussions being held regarding ventilator use. I haven't found any uplifting news yet. Will keep looking.

Schne442

oh come on man !! we have already completely blown through the no politics rule whats a little religion among friends :d

HighwayStar 442

U.S. nears China's virus death toll as New York calls for help AP

In New York City, Cuomo and health officials warned Monday that the crisis unfolding there is just a preview of what other U.S. communities could soon face. New York State's death toll climbed by more than 250 people in a day Monday to more than 1,200, most of them in the city.

Even before the governor's appeal, close to 80,000 former nurses, doctors and other professionals were stepping up to volunteer, and a Navy hospital ship had arrived with 1,000 beds to relieve pressure on overwhelmed hospitals.

“Challenging times are ahead for the next 30 days, and this is a very vital 30 days," President Donald Trump told reporters Monday. “The more we dedicate ourselves today, the more quickly we will emerge on the other side of the crisis.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/202...help/23966095/

Samaritan’s Purse is deploying an Emergency Field Hospital to New York City to care for coronavirus patients. We continue to operate a similar respiratory care unit in Cremona, Italy.

Samaritan's Purse! Great people! Meet Billy Graham. When I was designing the Fire Sprinkler system for the Boone, NC headquarters. When I live in Lenoir, NC. Most helpful, nicest people. Thank you! Almost all of their donation go to helping people!!! unlike others!



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wr1970

Shut this thread down. Way beyond the rules.

Schne442

AH !! that was Sarcasm
The original beginning of this Thread was to inform and discuss the Pandemic as a whole, I'm sure Vintage Chief did not intend it as a platform to Bash our Current WH Occupant.
Is the Guy a perfect Politician? absolutely not, but I'm not aware of anyone who, without the benefit of hind-site that can or could have predicted this and what the final result will be.
as always we are all entitled to our opinions.
But like they say : OPINIONS ARE LIKE ******** !! EVERYONE HAS ONE AND THEY ALL STINK
Have a Great Day and stay safe #sixfeet

Fun71

Does anyone still believe the numbers that China reported? Even the Chinese people are saying there is no way those numbers are accurate. So to compare anything to numbers that are likely complete lies is ridiculous.


https://www.newsweek.com/wuhan-covid...uggest-1494914

WUHAN COVID-19 DEATH TOLL MAY BE IN TENS OF THOUSANDS, DATA ON CREMATIONS AND SHIPMENTS OF URNS SUGGEST

Vintage Chief

Like most media/news sources they absolutely love to entertain & garner readership. However, when they post edited script, updates, and additional information - you never witness those as HEADLINES to what has already been reported. If you read the article in its ENTIRETY, they certainly know how to cover their asses after the fact.

HighwayStar 442

You can never trust the Chinese communist government. Communist china broken every treaty and agreement throughout their history. Look at what they did to the people of Hong Kong. Broken promises to the British, India, USA, Tibet, Russia, Mongolia, Taiwan, Vietnam, S. Korea, minority ethnic groups in china and more. Stealing island all over the south china sea and beyond. And building military base on them. Trying to stop fishing boats from local nations. And free navigation of the seas. I believe the Chinese people are good. Never forget Tiananmen Square! Running over their people with tanks! Communist government I hope falls soon. They are wounded, hope their people kill the beast!

Coronavirus Weakens China’s Powerful Propaganda Machine

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/business/china-coronavirus-propaganda.html

I want to give a special thank you, to the Navy for coming to NYC aid. Maybe Army MASH Unit can also be deploythroughout the USA

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Vintage Chief

You disgust me. You're pathetic.

KW5413

It is difficult to maintain normalcy during extraordinary times. These times damned sure are extraordinary.

Besides, this CV-19 is all Truman's fault.

1969w3155

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/b...=pocket-newtab

Inline

So, yesterday i told Sweden had 110 deaths and Finland 13. One night, and its now 180/17. This clearly show that quarantinees have their place on this situation,
and people whos complaining about it should rethink.

Bunser

Yes, they have their place and the sooner the Swedes understand, the sooner the rates will go down. No one likes to have their lifestyle turned upside down, but resisting is beyond stupid. This virus isn't going away anytime soon, so it's best we get used to it.

HighwayStar 442

Called a few few things in lifetime. "You disgust me. You're pathetic." First time I ever been called that. To me 100,000 to 240,000 is Disgusting and Pathetic to me!
"No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s — going to be just fine."
"We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. ... we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it.
"We have a very small number of people in the country, right now, with it. It’s like around 12. Many of them are getting better. Some are fully recovered already. So we’re in very good shape."
The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!
Very under control in USA. Stock market starting to look good to me looks go to me!
deflects criticism
“I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away. They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
The 15 cases within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero
"Anybody that wants a test can get a test."
"I've always known this is a real, this is a pandemic. I've felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
My rating are the greatest

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69HO43

I wish the A-holes who continue to inject political stuff in this thread would lose their internet for a month. You can't follow the forum rules, so why should we even be concerned with whatever else you post in the forum? It's quite pathetic to continue to inject contraband into this thread for those of us that want to read about and discuss the virus without the CNN pundits providing their political content. It's getting really ridiculous.

Vintage Chief

I thought I'd provide several links to studies which are currently being conducted regarding hopeful abatement of COVID-19. I don't want to bombard the post with gibberish and a milieu of overwhelming material, so I'll try to be as specific as possible.
The NIH (National Institute of Health) is the primary research center in the U.S.A. from which all empirical research regarding diseases generally begins. The vast majority of our tax dollars is provided to NIH (in the form of grants, fellowships, etc.) to support our nation's biological research activities. In addition, many other supporting organizations conduct similar research activities from all of our Universities, NSF (National Science Foundation), private foundations, etc. The NIH has several significant divisions (e.g. NCI - National Cancer Institute). NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) is the primary division responsible for ascertaining analysis of COVID-19 & providing guidance on COVID-19 clinical trials. For those who care to become involved in the more-or-less behind-the-scenes investigation of what is occurring (behind-the-scenes), these links provide some resources from which you can review what's going on (generally not covered by the media).

Remdesivir (drug) - Used during the E.Bola outbreak. Currently being employed w/ COVID-19 patients. This is a clinical trial which began late February - it involves the COVID-19 patients from the Diamond Cruise Ship.
NIH clinical trial of remdesivir to treat COVID-19 begins.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-event...isease-monkeys

Vintage Chief

mRNA-1273 (vaccine) - This is the clinical trial which began March 3, 2020 (NIH + ModernaTX, Inc.). Most will recognize the posted video of the 1st woman being injected w/ the mRNA-1273 vaccine.
Safety and Immunogenicity Study of 2019-nCoV Vaccine (mRNA-1273) for Prophylaxis SARS CoV-2 Infection
NIH clinical trial of investigational vaccine for COVID-19 begins

Vintage Chief

If you have an interest in following COVID-19 developments by the NIH, you can sign-up for automatic e-mail subscription (below).

https://www.nih.gov/health-information/coronavirus

Vintage Chief

Several links regarding development of SARS-CoV-19 antibody research (for those interested). Several may recognize I posted antibody research for the development of SARS-CoV-19 test kits (the test kits which the FDA failed to approve at the beginning of the outbreak). I want to preface the links which follow involve antibody research. They are not to overwhelm those who don't understand antibodies - they are to inform those who want to follow the development and those who want to further their understanding of antibodies (in general).

This is a rather good explanation of the development of antibodies in the human (animal) body updated on February 6, 2020. For many, you'll recognize certain features of antibodies from serology blood work you may have analyzed during laboratory testing when you review your T-cells, B-cells, lymphocytes, IgG, IgM, etc. You develop antibodies as the result of having been exposed/infected (generally) to a known pathogen (antigen) - could be pollen, could be anything really (including bacteria, virus, etc.).
Antibody

Vintage Chief

This is the latest antibody research I could find regarding specific analysis of the antibodies found in COVID-19 patients (Oxford Academic Press). This is significant because we are now analyzing patients blood serology regarding their abilities to continue to fight the SARS-CoV-19 virus as they are being treated and their ability to continually fight the virus. There are very good links (including the full .pdf download of this study) on this page and links to the right (for those interested). The development of studies which analyze human production of antibodies towards the SARS-CoV-19 virus are critical in determining the fate of the virus as it is attacking the human body and how the human body responds to the virus for those who overcome the virus.
March 20, 2020 - manuscript accepted - published March 28
Antibody responses to SARS-CoV-2 in patients of novel coronavirus disease 2019

Vintage Chief

Some of this (below) is not going to apply to many CO members. However, some of this is going to apply many CO members. In any case, some information reported by the media is incorrect, some of dubious merit. For those who suffer from CVD (Cardio Vascular Disease) such as hypertension, many may be following the developments and wisdom of the medical community regarding ACEi (Ace Inhibitors). I am not going to provide guidance, suggestions, etc. - that advice is for the medical community to decipher & provide guidance. If I had a statement based upon solid scientific research I would not hesitate to make such a statement regarding ACEi. I will emphasize this is currently a very, very hot debate topic among researchers studying SARS-CoV-2, ACEi, ACE-2 and COVID-19.

None-the-less, the role of ACEi as it relates to COVID-19 infection and prognosis is absolutely critical to the understanding of treatment and outcome. I know many who are following the guidance of medical practitioners w/ regard to ACEi. I will only try to provide some up-to-date research (not medical guidance). I have previously made posts regarding how SARS-CoV-2 gains entry into human (animal) cells and its pathway - it gains entry via ACE-2 - that is a scientific fact. I would invite anyone who wishes to further develop an understanding of the differences between ACE & ACE-2 perform their own research (which most have probably begun many weeks ago when we first identified the entry point of SARS-CoV-2 is the ACE-2 enzyme [Angiotensin Converting Enzyme]). I'll mention my own 'take' on this. There are many people in the world who are prescribed ACEi (ACE Inhibitors) - they are generally prescribed to an aging population or those w/ a known genetic history of CVD, kidney diseases & patients w/ myo-cardial infarction. The science community has been researching this evidence for several months since ACE-2 was identified as the entry point of SARS-CoV-19.

Is There an Association Between COVID-19 Mortality and the Renin-Angiotensin System—a Call for Epidemiologic Investigations

Vintage Chief

Obviously, there remains a significant amount of controversy within the scientific community regarding ACEi and it is a very hot topic currently being addressed.

Antihypertensive drugs and risk of COVID-19? – Authors' reply
Evidence suggests that ACE inhibitors and angiotensin receptor blockers may improve prognosis in COVID-19 hypertensive patients
Renin–Angiotensin–Aldosterone System Inhibitors in Patients with Covid-19

GCH

239 death in Sweden now. I live in west of Sweden near Norway border. Many older people in quaranteen and isolated.
Truckdrivers and others are not welcome in our workplace,they must load the trucks outside, Restaurangs and shopping centers are emty , a lot of people
that looses their jobs now. Funerals by the web instead for Church. And people here buy a lot of toilet paper also , wierd.

Inline

Lol, same thing here. Wonder where they need all the toilet paper? Especially when we have big paper-mill here in Finland producing- you quessed it- toilet paper.
Here there are currently 300'000 people under threat of laid-off + those already laid off or kicked out. 15% of working people is soon unemployed. Restaurants, bars etc are closed to end of May by law now, and they may continue it if it seems fit- and i bet they continue.

Ive found it interesting to compare with Sweden due to very similiar countries on many ways, yet different ways to fight this pandemic. Here in news its named " money or life", Sweden way vs. our way. Remains to be seen if you get out of this sooner than us, which is highly likely.