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Old Feb 9, 2016 | 11:31 AM
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EPA finally goes off the deep end

This is apparently no joke.


EPA SEEKS TO PROHIBIT CONVERSION OF VEHICLES INTO RACECARS

https://www.sema.org/news/2016/02/08...-into-racecars
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 11:43 AM
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unbeleivable

edit: I take that back. This is exactly the type of nonsense I have come to expect from the EPA.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 11:49 AM
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Thank Richard Nixon. He signed the EPA into law.

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Old Feb 9, 2016 | 02:22 PM
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Thank Obama, he has given the EPA enforcement rules like the IRS.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 02:23 PM
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I wonder if he had any idea when he signed that law that they would run amok and become the "entity" that they are today?
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 02:48 PM
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If you mean Obama and his EO, I would imagine this is exactly what he had in mind.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 03:09 PM
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NASCAR might have a big say in that endeavor.....
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 03:38 PM
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Nascar does not use actual cars.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 03:41 PM
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My sister works for the EPA. I just sent her the link. This should be good.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by oldcutlass
Nascar does not use actual cars.
Quote of the week.

You win the internet.

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Old Feb 9, 2016 | 04:02 PM
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Just read a link posted on a ROP and it seems this will only affect cars with pollution controls. Off road race cars are still fine and it seems since my hunk of crap has no emmissions control and the great state of Illinois does not do testing on 95 and older vehicles I think I'm OK lol sucks for modern muscle guys but it seems there always ways around it like off road tunes and stuff like that.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 06:27 PM
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Here's the problem. The EPA has been turned into a liberal wing of the Feds and they are using it to control any and everything. The air in the the USA is plenty o clean enough but in China,they can't see across the street. What freaking good is eliminating pollution to the finest degree here when the rest of the world doesn't play by the same rules?
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 07:11 PM
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So they can try to control EVERY aspect of our lives!!!!
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 07:44 PM
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^^^Exactly. As far as pollution goes, a volcano will erase any gains you make by hindering cars pollution. Just plant a tree or something.
Old Feb 9, 2016 | 08:02 PM
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Nascar does not use actual cars.
I actually know that... I was thinking more along the line of the various models being represented of the auto manufacturers and the public perception... The next step for the EPA will be that a race car can not have an appearance the likes of a manufactured vehicle...
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by coppercutlass
Just read a link posted on a ROP and it seems this will only affect cars with pollution controls. Off road race cars are still fine and it seems since my hunk of crap has no emmissions control and the great state of Illinois does not do testing on 95 and older vehicles I think I'm OK lol sucks for modern muscle guys but it seems there always ways around it like off road tunes and stuff like that.
I'm bothered by this for numerous reasons. First and foremost, the amount of emissions put out by race cars that would be covered under this provision is not even measurable. Is this really the best use of bureaucrats' time in cleaning up the environment?

Second is this:

The regulation would also make the sale of certain products for use on such vehicles illegal.
Let that sink in for a second. This is the slippery slope of banning aftermarket performance parts.

Third is this, which is unfortunately all to common in government:

The proposed regulation was contained within a non-related proposed regulation...
Slimy f'n bureaucrats!
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 06:53 AM
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Please add your names to the petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//pe...les-racecars-0
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 10:09 AM
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gah..its all a super sized pile of feces! Big Brother playing Socialist/Communist/azzclown. Thats the problem. Their dam good at it too. DEMLIBS hard at work with their self entitled corrupt "programs"...whats next, only one disposable razor allotted to you per year...(George Orwell's 1984)...had enough of this govt. Im goin about my business. Dont like it... come get em...when Im all out.
Petition signed and forwarded to all the normal people. Its up to us to push this and all other BS politics in a favorable direction. If no one speaks up they will totally run over all of us. Anyone familiar with the UCMJ? If not, better get familiar, if business goes "as usual" in the once great US of A.
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
Please add your names to the petition:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//pe...les-racecars-0
Done!
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tru-blue 442
Done!
That on-line petition was created yesterday. At 8:30 AM EST today, there were over 38,000 signatures. As of 2:00 PM, it was over 65,000. That's in about 24 hours from creation.
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 11:15 AM
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Sweet. Maybe those damn bureaucrats will get the message. We can only hope.
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 11:45 AM
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It had about 43,000 when I signed it.

Great progress!

Of course, now they know where I live.

It's funny, back when petitions were on paper, I never thought twice about signing them, but now every time I sign one of these, in the back of my head, I wonder where there is a list of what I've signed, just in case anyone needs it "for later on."

- Eric
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 11:50 AM
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But yet another new law allows this:


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/08/n...-vintage-cars/


It makes no friggen sense
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MDchanic
It's funny, back when petitions were on paper, I never thought twice about signing them, but now every time I sign one of these, in the back of my head, I wonder where there is a list of what I've signed, just in case anyone needs it "for later on."

- Eric
All they have is your name, email, and IP address. Google and Yahoo have had that information for years (and that's where the NSA gets it, anyway!)

Sometimes I think people get a little crazy about things like that. For example, why do people cover up their license plate when posting a photo of their car on line? Do they cover the plate when they drive it on the street? For that matter, I don't understand the whole thing about keeping the VIN secret. You can see it through the windshield when the car is parked (yeah, for 1968-up cars...).
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 12:06 PM
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I obscure the plate on that car because it's my wife's name.

No sense dragging her through the mud of rough-and-tumble ClassicOlds.

- Eric
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by allyolds68
But yet another new law allows this:


http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/08/n...-vintage-cars/


It makes no friggen sense
Completely unrelated. The low-volume manufacturer law only exempts the cars from certain onerous requirements like crash testing and rollover protection. Cars built under this provision still need to be certified compliant for current-year emissions laws (though apparently the cars are exempt from annual testing - go figure???). This means that the replicas will need to use emissions-certified crate motors like the Chevy E-rod motors.
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MDchanic
I obscure the plate on that car because it's my wife's name.

No sense dragging her through the mud of rough-and-tumble ClassicOlds.

- Eric
Actually, I didn't even notice that on yours. I was mainly referring to photos in ebay and Craigslist ads.
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 02:37 PM
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Auto racing is the most attended sporting event in the country. It stands to reason that the emissions from all of the spectators' cars driving to and from the track dwarfs that of the few cars participating in the race. Therefore, if the EPA really wants to lower emissions due to auto racing, they should outlaw bleachers and make us all watch it at home on TV. Shhhhh -- don't tell them!
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
it was over 65,000. That's in about 24 hours from creation.
Pretty darn good. Even God, after six days, was only up to 2!
Old Feb 10, 2016 | 04:10 PM
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Thanks Jaunty for posting this, and Joe for sharing the petition link. 92K signatures when I signed just now.
Old Feb 12, 2016 | 07:34 AM
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Just signed it, probably just set myself up for a drone strike!
Old Mar 8, 2016 | 09:00 AM
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In the interest of getting this thread back to the OP's original intent - namely trying to defeat the overreaching proposed legislation by EPA to prohibit modifying emissions-controlled vehicles into race cars for off-road use only - I've moved the climate change discussion to this new thread in the Clubhouse forum. Feel free to continue that discussion there. I tried to move every post on that topic. If I missed something it was due to an error and not intentional.

Back to this topic, SEMA has just created a website that allows you to very easily send a letter or email to your elected officials asking them to support legislation to defeat the proposed rule. Please go to that site and send a letter. You will have the option of simply sending the letter as written by SEMA or modifying it with your own words. I recommend the latter, if possible, since that will show that you personally took the time, vs. simply clicking SEND.

Here's the link.
Old Mar 8, 2016 | 09:26 AM
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Recent progress:
SEMA President and CEO Chris Kersting today praised Congressional members for their introduction of a bipartisan bill that would protect thousands of American racecar enthusiasts from overreaching U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) regulations.

"The EPA’s new interpretation of the Clean Air Act would essentially rewrite the law and 46 years of policy and practice," said Kersting. "Without congressional intervention, the racing community and racing parts manufacturers would be operating outside of that new law and could be targeted for enforcement." The language in H.R. 4715 makes clear Congress’ intent to exclude competition-only cars from the scope of the Clean Air Act, including converted street vehicles.
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