Olds Trivia question....
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I never could find a definite id for the 2nd Olds in that movie. So, here's the next question. In the painting "Setting The Pace" in which an Olds Limited is depicted racing a train, What was the name of the train, note: not a nickname, but what it was called by it's manufacturer.
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No & no,
. I was afraid that I would have trouble trying to get the answer for what the Locomotive was called, it may have been this technically, but not what I was looking for.
Baldwin type E14 ten wheeler
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Pacific type locomotive
EDIT: The Pacific type was a 4-6-2 and not the 4-6-0 configuration of the 10 wheeler.
I can't find anything other than E14 Ten Wheeler from Baldwin on the naming of this locomotive type.
EDIT: The Pacific type was a 4-6-2 and not the 4-6-0 configuration of the 10 wheeler.
I can't find anything other than E14 Ten Wheeler from Baldwin on the naming of this locomotive type.
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Dan, really? Everything I read said the New York Central RR called that route "The 20th Century Limited" but the manufacturer of the locomotive didn't. I couldn't find anything that said who the mfg. was or what the type was. I didn't think the Hudsons came until the 30s.
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Year and model.....and significance.
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The 20th Century Limited I may have jumped to an erroneous conclusion, that all 20th Century Limited's were built by Hudson.
The New York-Chicago market was the premier intercity passenger service for Eastern railroading and the New York Central’s 20th Century Limited competed with rival Pennsylvania Railroad and its Broadway Limited for top honors (although based from traffic figures the Century did have an edge over the Broadway). While it will likely always be argued which train was the most successful what cannot be disputed is their distinctive styles with the 20th Century catering to business travelers and “new money” with its modernistic cool, sleek designs and colors. By contrast the Broadway Limited featured light, airy, and cheery accents and accommodated more to the older crowd. Ultimately, the rapidly declining interest in rail travel by the public through the 1950s forced the NYC to give up on its vaunted train and it made its final run in 1967.
This sweeping, panoramic view of the westbound 20th Century shows the train stopped at Chicago's Englewood Union Station on April 21, 1965 led by E7A #4022 along with an E7B and an E8A.
The 20th Century Limited has its beginnings dating back to 1902 when the train began operating between New York and Chicago (the Pennsy began operating a plush passenger train between the two cities in 1902 as well but until 1912 it was known as the Pennsylvania Special). For the first thirty years the train, including its rival the Broadway Limited was quite conservative and changed little aesthetically, using standard heavyweight passenger equipment and traditional steam locomotives. However, when the streamliner craze began to take root in the 1930s that all changed. The PRR and NYC were constantly watching each other to make sure that neither upstaged the other. In the case of streamlining it was the Central which got things started.
In 1936 the NYC experimented and custom streamlined its Mercury which operated between Detroit and Cleveland. That same year, rather pleased with the results of the Mercury, the Central began to seriously consider also streamlining its flagship. With no streamlined train yet of it’s on, after hearing of this the PRR approached the Central wondering if the latter would be interested in a joint effort of streamlining their flagships, which the NYC agreed to. The builder of their trains was the industry standard of the day, the Pullman Company (of which the Pullman-Standard division built the actual equipment). What’s interesting is that both trains, from a blueprint standpoint were virtually identical as Pullman was well known for standardization as a cost savings tool (today, the practice is widespread).
However, from an aesthetic standpoint the two trains could not have been more different inside and out after designers were finished adding their touches. With its order of 62 cars the Central set to designing the new streamlined 20th Century Limited inside and out (all 62 cars were used exclusively for the flagship and a typical train included, in order, a mail-baggage car, dormitory-buffet-lounge, five sleepers, two diners, two additional sleepers, and finally a sleeper-lounge observation). To accomplish this the railroad hired distinguished industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss. What Dreyfuss created has been argued as the most beautiful and endearing passenger train worldwide of all time. Whether this is the case or not the train was certainly quite stunning.
To create Central’s flagship Dreyfuss used a process of keeping elements in their basic form when designing different aspects of the train (a concept known as “cleanlining”). Similarly Dreyfuss kept the theme of New York City and urban settings throughout the train and used tones of light and gunmetal gray for the interior and exterior (which was especially stunning inside the train matched against the urban theme). For instance, the diners served double duty. During the day they were used for general fine dining, serving exceptional meals that rivaled the most exquisite restaurants of the day. However, after the final evening meal was served the white tablecloth linens would be replaced with rust-red linens and the car would become a nightclub known as “Café Century.” Dreyfuss also broke up the dining cars to make passengers feel less like they were in railroad cars and more as if they were in an actual restaurant using glass wall partitions.
Perhaps Dreyfuss’ crowning achievement with the train was the sleeper-observation. Here he used urban murals, soft lighting, the train’s ubiquitous gunmetal gray colors, and touches of partitioning to group passengers together in seating of twos or threes (which featured blue leather upholstery). Coupled with Art Deco artistry and the car was something to behold. As Loewy had done with the Broadway, in the 20th Century Dreyfuss, near the back of the car partitioned the observation sectioning off the extreme end of the car (by way of a large urban mural and a rounded loveseat with table) where it featured seating facing towards the windows so passengers could watch the landscape retreating away from them.
Unlike the Pennsylvania, which never bothered to match its locomotives with the rest of train, Dreyfuss and the Central kept everything linear using tones of gray for the livery. The locomotive, a streamlined Hudson became one of the most endearing streamlined steam designs ever conceived. The locomotive featured matching colors, of course, and Dreyfuss gave it subtle, yet, unmistakable sheathing whereby the running gear was exposed for everyone to witness and take in the power of the locomotive in motion yet with elegant curves and angles to make it appear in motion, even when it wasn’t!
The signature trait of the steamer was its bullet nose and distinctive protruding fin, which wrapped vertically all of the way up the nose and was given a flushed finish all of the way back to the cab of the locomotive. All in all, everything from the leading Hudson to the sleeper observation, inside and out, exuded speed, elegance, and royalty. The 20th Century was built for style and stardom (the train conveyed the New York lifestyle) and it tailored perfectly to young executives and “new money.” So popular was the train that the Central often had to run to trains, one in each direction.
A pair of NYC E8As, #4061 and #4079, lead another version of the westbound 20th Century at Englewood during April of 1965.
Both the PRR and NYC misread the boom in WWII traffic and purchased millions in upgrades for its passenger fleet and as rail travel began its slow recession in the 1950s both likewise lost millions on the gamble. While the Central purchased more in upgrades than the Pennsy it was also the first to call it quits with its flagship. In 1967, the same year that the PRR dropped “All Pullman” status on its Broadway Limited the NYC discontinued its 20th Century Limited, an ominous sign of just how derelict the passenger rail market was by that time. While arguments will persist over which train was most regal both reigned supreme in the east. Each train’s renowned status can be measured purely on how well it is remembered where after decades since each were operated by their original creator they continue to talked and written about. For consist and timetable information please click here.
The New York-Chicago market was the premier intercity passenger service for Eastern railroading and the New York Central’s 20th Century Limited competed with rival Pennsylvania Railroad and its Broadway Limited for top honors (although based from traffic figures the Century did have an edge over the Broadway). While it will likely always be argued which train was the most successful what cannot be disputed is their distinctive styles with the 20th Century catering to business travelers and “new money” with its modernistic cool, sleek designs and colors. By contrast the Broadway Limited featured light, airy, and cheery accents and accommodated more to the older crowd. Ultimately, the rapidly declining interest in rail travel by the public through the 1950s forced the NYC to give up on its vaunted train and it made its final run in 1967.
This sweeping, panoramic view of the westbound 20th Century shows the train stopped at Chicago's Englewood Union Station on April 21, 1965 led by E7A #4022 along with an E7B and an E8A. The 20th Century Limited has its beginnings dating back to 1902 when the train began operating between New York and Chicago (the Pennsy began operating a plush passenger train between the two cities in 1902 as well but until 1912 it was known as the Pennsylvania Special). For the first thirty years the train, including its rival the Broadway Limited was quite conservative and changed little aesthetically, using standard heavyweight passenger equipment and traditional steam locomotives. However, when the streamliner craze began to take root in the 1930s that all changed. The PRR and NYC were constantly watching each other to make sure that neither upstaged the other. In the case of streamlining it was the Central which got things started.
In 1936 the NYC experimented and custom streamlined its Mercury which operated between Detroit and Cleveland. That same year, rather pleased with the results of the Mercury, the Central began to seriously consider also streamlining its flagship. With no streamlined train yet of it’s on, after hearing of this the PRR approached the Central wondering if the latter would be interested in a joint effort of streamlining their flagships, which the NYC agreed to. The builder of their trains was the industry standard of the day, the Pullman Company (of which the Pullman-Standard division built the actual equipment). What’s interesting is that both trains, from a blueprint standpoint were virtually identical as Pullman was well known for standardization as a cost savings tool (today, the practice is widespread).
However, from an aesthetic standpoint the two trains could not have been more different inside and out after designers were finished adding their touches. With its order of 62 cars the Central set to designing the new streamlined 20th Century Limited inside and out (all 62 cars were used exclusively for the flagship and a typical train included, in order, a mail-baggage car, dormitory-buffet-lounge, five sleepers, two diners, two additional sleepers, and finally a sleeper-lounge observation). To accomplish this the railroad hired distinguished industrial designer Henry Dreyfuss. What Dreyfuss created has been argued as the most beautiful and endearing passenger train worldwide of all time. Whether this is the case or not the train was certainly quite stunning.
To create Central’s flagship Dreyfuss used a process of keeping elements in their basic form when designing different aspects of the train (a concept known as “cleanlining”). Similarly Dreyfuss kept the theme of New York City and urban settings throughout the train and used tones of light and gunmetal gray for the interior and exterior (which was especially stunning inside the train matched against the urban theme). For instance, the diners served double duty. During the day they were used for general fine dining, serving exceptional meals that rivaled the most exquisite restaurants of the day. However, after the final evening meal was served the white tablecloth linens would be replaced with rust-red linens and the car would become a nightclub known as “Café Century.” Dreyfuss also broke up the dining cars to make passengers feel less like they were in railroad cars and more as if they were in an actual restaurant using glass wall partitions.
Perhaps Dreyfuss’ crowning achievement with the train was the sleeper-observation. Here he used urban murals, soft lighting, the train’s ubiquitous gunmetal gray colors, and touches of partitioning to group passengers together in seating of twos or threes (which featured blue leather upholstery). Coupled with Art Deco artistry and the car was something to behold. As Loewy had done with the Broadway, in the 20th Century Dreyfuss, near the back of the car partitioned the observation sectioning off the extreme end of the car (by way of a large urban mural and a rounded loveseat with table) where it featured seating facing towards the windows so passengers could watch the landscape retreating away from them.
Unlike the Pennsylvania, which never bothered to match its locomotives with the rest of train, Dreyfuss and the Central kept everything linear using tones of gray for the livery. The locomotive, a streamlined Hudson became one of the most endearing streamlined steam designs ever conceived. The locomotive featured matching colors, of course, and Dreyfuss gave it subtle, yet, unmistakable sheathing whereby the running gear was exposed for everyone to witness and take in the power of the locomotive in motion yet with elegant curves and angles to make it appear in motion, even when it wasn’t! The signature trait of the steamer was its bullet nose and distinctive protruding fin, which wrapped vertically all of the way up the nose and was given a flushed finish all of the way back to the cab of the locomotive. All in all, everything from the leading Hudson to the sleeper observation, inside and out, exuded speed, elegance, and royalty. The 20th Century was built for style and stardom (the train conveyed the New York lifestyle) and it tailored perfectly to young executives and “new money.” So popular was the train that the Central often had to run to trains, one in each direction.
A pair of NYC E8As, #4061 and #4079, lead another version of the westbound 20th Century at Englewood during April of 1965. Both the PRR and NYC misread the boom in WWII traffic and purchased millions in upgrades for its passenger fleet and as rail travel began its slow recession in the 1950s both likewise lost millions on the gamble. While the Central purchased more in upgrades than the Pennsy it was also the first to call it quits with its flagship. In 1967, the same year that the PRR dropped “All Pullman” status on its Broadway Limited the NYC discontinued its 20th Century Limited, an ominous sign of just how derelict the passenger rail market was by that time. While arguments will persist over which train was most regal both reigned supreme in the east. Each train’s renowned status can be measured purely on how well it is remembered where after decades since each were operated by their original creator they continue to talked and written about. For consist and timetable information please click here.
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Setting the Pace painted in 1909 by William Harnden Foster depicts the race between an Oldsmobile Limited and the 20th Century Limited
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I got a message in my email that a new post had been added to this thread, and a link to the picture was in there as well. When I clicked on the link through my email, it brought up someone's photobuck and a slew of pictures, including distributor weights and the aforementioned baby powder trick.
The car in the picture is a 1940 Series 60. That particular car was sold in the UK, has Hydramatic transmission, and also was in the movie Captain America.
The car in the picture is a 1940 Series 60. That particular car was sold in the UK, has Hydramatic transmission, and also was in the movie Captain America.
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Okay so it totally slipped my mind that I am up in the trivia asking. Here is an easy one. One observation, is there anything about the Oldsmobile that we(the collective we) don't know?
In 1903 Oldsmobile set a land speed record at Ormond Beach. What was the name of the car? How far, fast, and how long did it take it?
In 1903 Oldsmobile set a land speed record at Ormond Beach. What was the name of the car? How far, fast, and how long did it take it?
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Hmmm...awful quiet in here...how about a little hint, one engineer has a double Michigan connection. Born & raised Southwest Michigan. If you know your baseball trivia look for who's nicknamed Charlie Hustle + a teenagers toy rocket mfr to combine for one serious Rocket engineer!
