General Discussion Discuss your Oldsmobile or other car-related topics.

Getting ready to pull engine.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 17, 2014 | 01:37 PM
  #1  
.Rocket.Man.'s Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 58
From: Ohio
Getting ready to pull engine.

Going to be pulling the engine soon to detail engine compartment and paint engine in my 68 442. This will be my first time yanking a motor so I thought I'd come here for any tips or advice on things to watch for/be aware of. Any input would be appreciated, thanks.
Old Nov 17, 2014 | 02:58 PM
  #2  
m371961's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,163
From: Sistersville, WV
If its automatic unbolt converter from flexplate. Support transmission. Label wires and vacuum lines.
I would also consider replacing engine freeze plugs while it is out.
Watch out for MAWs.
Old Nov 17, 2014 | 03:28 PM
  #3  
CutlassDad's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 192
From: Milwaukee, WI
Engine Removal MAW's

With the engine out, high on the list of MAW's is a new timing set and a cleanout of the oil pump screen.


Gerry
Old Nov 17, 2014 | 04:51 PM
  #4  
Railguy's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,309
From: South-central Pa.
If I was pulling the motor I go ahead and pull the trans with it.I think it would be easier.
railguy
Old Nov 17, 2014 | 07:09 PM
  #5  
MDchanic's Avatar
Connoisseur d'Junque
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 21,183
From: The Hudson Valley
Read it and weep:

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ing-motor.html

- Eric
Old Nov 17, 2014 | 07:31 PM
  #6  
seansolds's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 418
From: Hebron, indiana
I've always done most my work alone so I would always double and triple check my work, thinking one step ahead of Murphys Law helps..also take photos if necessary and be patient.
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 06:42 AM
  #7  
Koda's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 12,804
From: Evansville, IN
Lift engine a little. Stop. Check everything. Lower engine back down to disconnect
what you forgot. Do this x3. Then remove engine.
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 08:07 AM
  #8  
joe_padavano's Avatar
Old(s) Fart
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 50,803
From: Northern VA
Originally Posted by CutlassDad
With the engine out, high on the list of MAW's is a new timing set and a cleanout of the oil pump screen.


Gerry
And rear main seal... and oil pan gasket... oh, and with the pan off, better check the main bearings... oh, and valve seals are probably a good idea...

You see where this is going...

Do be sure to unbolt all ground straps before you yank the motor.
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 09:35 AM
  #9  
MDchanic's Avatar
Connoisseur d'Junque
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 21,183
From: The Hudson Valley
Originally Posted by joe_padavano
And rear main seal... and oil pan gasket... oh, and with the pan off, better check the main bearings... oh, and valve seals are probably a good idea...
Yeah. Thus my post above...

- Eric
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 09:54 AM
  #10  
droldsmorland's Avatar
CH3NO2 LEARN IT BURN IT
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,635
From: Land of Taxes
Pulling the clip makes this job MUCH easier. And your less likely to damage the sheet metal and paint with the dog house at a safe distance from the thrashing and the errant wrench or socket throwing thats inevitable. You can get at both sides of the core support easier too. The core support bushings are likely shot anyway.
Put a HD moving blanket over the windshield. Tape it in place.

If you decide to not remove the dog house then start with removing the radiator, condenser if so equipped and the grill. The grills fragile as hell and you know you'll be putting a knee through it. Also remove the distributor. They have a habit of whacking the firewall on the way out. I like to remove the trans with the engine when ever possible... MAW detail the trans too...A little power wash and wa-la like new trans!
Good time to change your heater core and blower motor too...
Ahhh the MAWs are ripe and abundant.
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 10:08 AM
  #11  
StarGeneral's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 234
From: Oregon
make sure you don't turn the distributor when you yank the motor. It may be easier for you to remove the radiator before you pull the engine so you have some more clearance and you won't risk damaging the radiator. Label all nuts and bolts in separate baggies. Take pictures if you have to. Also make sure all your grounding straps are removed.
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 10:38 AM
  #12  
70cutty's Avatar
Beer Connoisseur
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 2,092
From: Daly City, California
If you are going to pull it with the tranny (easier in my opinion) than make sure you have a Tail shaft end cap plug. like this.
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 11:03 AM
  #13  
Koda's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 12,804
From: Evansville, IN
Originally Posted by droldsmorland
Pulling the clip makes this job MUCH easier. And your less likely to damage the sheet metal and paint with the dog house at a safe distance from the thrashing and the errant wrench or socket throwing thats inevitable. You can get at both sides of the core support easier too. The core support bushings are likely shot anyway.
Put a HD moving blanket over the windshield. Tape it in place.

If you decide to not remove the dog house then start with removing the radiator, condenser if so equipped and the grill. The grills fragile as hell and you know you'll be putting a knee through it. Also remove the distributor. They have a habit of whacking the firewall on the way out. I like to remove the trans with the engine when ever possible... MAW detail the trans too...A little power wash and wa-la like new trans!
Good time to change your heater core and blower motor too...
Ahhh the MAWs are ripe and abundant.
Voilà
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 11:44 AM
  #14  
Eddie Hansen's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,515
From: South River, New Jersey
seriously take the radiator out, send this to be boiled out and pressure tested, cheap...

Yes pulling with tranny may be easier but more unwieldy, it does give you oppourtunity to detail as well...

exhaust is going to be a pia, make sure you get ready for stubborn bolts etc .

Pick up a couple of giant bags of cat litter as you are going to spill fluids....

invest in an adjutable engine load lift balancer.

Safety Shoes

engine stand cheapo harbor freight type, a cheapo cart for the tranny ( maybe borrow one from pathmark)

I do think the other suggestions are excellent now, especially the timing chain, checking the bearings etc this can be done with plastigauge) you clean all the junk in the pan and it isn't a big deal... plus you can detail the engine at the same time...
Old Nov 18, 2014 | 06:08 PM
  #15  
tecar442's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 294
From: Norfolk, NE
Don't get in a hurry, if there is something that needs to be done while the engine is out (MAW), do it. You won't be sorry. It's better to have it right than right now.
Old Nov 19, 2014 | 06:00 AM
  #16  
oldcutlass's Avatar
Administrator
 
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 42,496
From: Poteau, Ok
Buy one of Rob's MAW helmuts.
Old Nov 21, 2014 | 10:22 AM
  #17  
.Rocket.Man.'s Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 58
From: Ohio
Thanks for all the replies, I gotta ask though, what is MAW short for? And how difficult is taking off the front clip? I'm fairly mechanically inclined but to be honest removing the front clip sounds a little intimidating to me. I would like to pull engine and tranny together I'm just nervous I'll booger something up. Thanks again.
Old Nov 21, 2014 | 10:38 AM
  #18  
MDchanic's Avatar
Connoisseur d'Junque
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 21,183
From: The Hudson Valley
Might As Well.

- Eric
Old Nov 24, 2014 | 09:50 AM
  #19  
droldsmorland's Avatar
CH3NO2 LEARN IT BURN IT
 
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 5,635
From: Land of Taxes
Removal of the front clip is as easy as unbolting, provided you dont have any salt belt rust. Mark everything and take pics so you can get it to line up when you reassemble it. Bag and tag everything. Put all shims & washers back in their exact location in which they were removed.
Have a safe place to lay out or store the sheet metal parts to avoid damage which is why you removed them in the first place.
Remove the hood then the fenders with the inner wheel wells still attached. Then go at the core support grill bumper etc...Or just take your chances and leave it alone and yank the engine. Ive done it both ways. With nice sheet metal & paint I like to remove it. If Im just yanking a engine in a driver then I leave it on.
Harbor Junk has moving blankets cheap.
Old Nov 26, 2014 | 09:05 AM
  #20  
StarGeneral's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 234
From: Oregon
Rocket man, pulling the engine is not that hard. I did it before even knowing about timing or how to time an engine, not trying to toot my own horn but actually saying that even a newb to stuff like this can do it.

Watch youtube videos to help you, I watched a youtube video on pulling a 350 from a Holden to build up my confidence. It is really not that bad if you walk yourself through all the steps a few times before you begin.

For the sake of time I wouldn't worry about pulling the front clip unless you are super worried about bumping the engine into the sides. Just remove the radiator and be sure to put all bolts in plastic baggies and label them during removal. I did not remove the transmission when I pulled the engine as I felt that would put a lot of additional leverage and strain on the lift. I have heard it is easier to pull both at the same time but I chose to leave the engine in the car and that is OK. It is very easy to do just disconnect the engine from the trans bellhousing and the torque converter (again, watch videos). Once you have the Trans disconnected, and assuming your engine mounts and other connections are disconnected you should be able to scoot the engine forward a bit while lifting and take it straight out. Make sure your mounting bolts are secure (the bolts you hang the chain on) and make sure you have an equal amount of chain on both sides of the engine so that it hangs level. If it does not hang level when you pull it you might end up having to ride your engine down into the engine bay to get the leverage you will need to reconnect it to the trans. Honestly the hardest part of the process is getting the engine back in the car, as you'll need to jack the transmission up to get the engine to reconnect.

This is the video series I watched:
I just didn't pull the distributor.

Good luck!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
foo
Big Blocks
4
May 29, 2013 05:40 PM
raw442
General Discussion
16
Sep 30, 2012 01:57 PM
olds 307 and 403
General Discussion
0
Jul 14, 2012 10:38 AM
SkylinesSuck
Cutlass
11
Jul 29, 2011 03:14 AM
Oldskool88
Eighty-Eight
2
Feb 16, 2008 01:46 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:58 AM.