New guy here - need help 1969 442 W30 Convertible
#121
Hi
Here is a picture of the other 1969 442 W30 convertible car owned by John Welsh.
The car was originally yellow but is now painted platinum. This is the "yellow" car i mentioned in previous posts, the one that John could swap the cowl tags on.
It is represented as a W30 car with-out documents.
Any input or thoughts on this car? Help again please?
Thanks
DaveT
Here is a picture of the other 1969 442 W30 convertible car owned by John Welsh.
The car was originally yellow but is now painted platinum. This is the "yellow" car i mentioned in previous posts, the one that John could swap the cowl tags on.
It is represented as a W30 car with-out documents.
Any input or thoughts on this car? Help again please?
Thanks
DaveT
Dave you need to away from this seller and move to something with paperwork or as many have said purchase a clone. I have seen this car personally in Meriden and it is anything but a W-30.
#122
Dave: if, when you purchase your car, you change the colour, interior or other options, I would not alter the cowl tag or any of the car's documentation. While it may not be illegal, to do so will diminish the car's integrity.
When I bought my car I was not looking for a "collector"; I wanted something to enjoy and drive. I changed the colour on my car, the interior, the seats as well as many other options, but left the cowl tag as original. This was for two reasons: one was I did not want to ever represent the car as something it was not, and I also wanted to document the history of the car. Its journey was as important to me as what it is today.
I did want to maintain "correctness" in that I spent great effort to make sure that whatever changes I made would be compatible with what could have rolled off the line 46 years ago. I went so far as having two factory stickers made up: one represents the car as it was built, and the other as it is after restoration. I display both of these at every show.
I get the impression that you are not so much looking for a collector car, but rather something you want to cruise in. If so I would support the other posts here which suggest getting a good solid, easy to find car, at a low cost and then turning it into what you want to drive. You would turn the angst of trying to outsmart the counterfeiters into the joy of building something that is your own.
When I bought my car I was not looking for a "collector"; I wanted something to enjoy and drive. I changed the colour on my car, the interior, the seats as well as many other options, but left the cowl tag as original. This was for two reasons: one was I did not want to ever represent the car as something it was not, and I also wanted to document the history of the car. Its journey was as important to me as what it is today.
I did want to maintain "correctness" in that I spent great effort to make sure that whatever changes I made would be compatible with what could have rolled off the line 46 years ago. I went so far as having two factory stickers made up: one represents the car as it was built, and the other as it is after restoration. I display both of these at every show.
I get the impression that you are not so much looking for a collector car, but rather something you want to cruise in. If so I would support the other posts here which suggest getting a good solid, easy to find car, at a low cost and then turning it into what you want to drive. You would turn the angst of trying to outsmart the counterfeiters into the joy of building something that is your own.
#123
I have to weigh in here.
A correct, documented 1969 W-30 convertible is worth well into six figures. When you spend that much on a car, you have a piece of art, not a driver. Do you really want a trailer queen?
An undocumented "W-30" for $75K is a waste of money. It will never bring what a real car would be worth (at least, not until documentation is "discovered"... ), and from a driving enjoyment standpoint, you will have paid twice as much as if you had simply bought a really nice 69 442 convert and added the W-30 parts. At $35K-40K, the latter sounds like the path to a car you can really enjoy.
A correct, documented 1969 W-30 convertible is worth well into six figures. When you spend that much on a car, you have a piece of art, not a driver. Do you really want a trailer queen?
An undocumented "W-30" for $75K is a waste of money. It will never bring what a real car would be worth (at least, not until documentation is "discovered"... ), and from a driving enjoyment standpoint, you will have paid twice as much as if you had simply bought a really nice 69 442 convert and added the W-30 parts. At $35K-40K, the latter sounds like the path to a car you can really enjoy.
#124
"simply bought a really nice 69 442 convert and added the W-30 parts"
Right on.
Huh, where did I hear that before??
Oh, yea, when I suggested the OP embrace the tribute thing. Get "a" Cutlass convertible, buy replica D heads, new red inners and OAI.... insert your four TWENTY five engine- I can make you a casting number that will make it appear to be a G400 or a F455 or a 260 if you want.... enjoy the hell out of it.
Right on.
Huh, where did I hear that before??
Oh, yea, when I suggested the OP embrace the tribute thing. Get "a" Cutlass convertible, buy replica D heads, new red inners and OAI.... insert your four TWENTY five engine- I can make you a casting number that will make it appear to be a G400 or a F455 or a 260 if you want.... enjoy the hell out of it.
#125
1968 442
OW trans, offered only on W30 and perhaps H/O, right?
VIN stamp on OW trans matches the car
Therefore, the car is a W30.
Period.
It is necessary and sufficient for the Auto Trans W30.
Unless you want to talk alterations, which are not present here. In that event, then anything and everything might have been altered, and all bets are off.
#126
#127
My car for example
1968 442
OW trans, offered only on W30 and perhaps H/O, right?
VIN stamp on OW trans matches the car
Therefore, the car is a W30.
Period.
It is necessary and sufficient for the Auto Trans W30.
Unless you want to talk alterations, which are not present here. In that event, then anything and everything might have been altered, and all bets are off.
1968 442
OW trans, offered only on W30 and perhaps H/O, right?
VIN stamp on OW trans matches the car
Therefore, the car is a W30.
Period.
It is necessary and sufficient for the Auto Trans W30.
Unless you want to talk alterations, which are not present here. In that event, then anything and everything might have been altered, and all bets are off.
Of course OW tag is essential in the autos and one can make an educated guess based on that and other criteria.
Lastly, personally I am not saying your car is not legit, I obviously have no way of knowing.
Sadly as Joe indicated these tags are floating around
#128
Thank you Dean for clarifying this, I did bring John's block to a machine shop that I frequently do business with. Block was hot tanked and inspected for cracks. Upon completion of work my name was marked on block for identification purposes for pick up.
#129
I meant to make no such association and apologize if anybody inferred that from what I said. Let's just say that anybody who offers to phony up a car in the ways described by the OP is best avoided.
#130
#131
Stumbled upon this but don't know if it's been discussed (too lazy to read through):
http://significantcars.com/cars/1969oldsmobile/
http://significantcars.com/cars/1969oldsmobile/
#132
That car has more than a few issues, starting with the weird silvered headlights, trunk stripes and a red motor. And the fact that they are being coy about giving a price tells me that they want top dollar, even though the condition wouldn't merit it. And that's if it turns out to be legit -- I notice they made no mention of any kind of documentation, either.
#133
Stumbled upon this but don't know if it's been discussed (too lazy to read through):
http://significantcars.com/cars/1969oldsmobile/
http://significantcars.com/cars/1969oldsmobile/
It may very well be a real W-30, but there's a ton of expensive details that need to be corrected. The incorrect M/C, aftermarket intake, incorrect carb, headers, nuclear red engine paint (including the valve cover breather)... Note the A/C heater control valve on the back of the intake. Where did THAT come from? On the other hand, D heads and what look like OEM red inner fenders, not repros.
I'm guessing "$Inquire" means B.J. pricing for a car that needs a lot. This is a case of the last 10% of the work will take the other 90% of the time...
#134
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