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I am new on here and looking to buy my first restoration project. If everything lines up like I think it does this should be a semi rare car. I know it’s a 64 f85 2dr from what the owner believes it’s a deluxe sports coupe. He believes it has a b09 “police pursuit” now he did show me towards the firewall a head code of b2 unfortunately he has not found any build codes. From what I found it is an ebony black car with white vinyl interior. By visual it is a floor counsel shifter car and it has to be a factory tach in that counsel. From people looking At the car he was told it does not have a factory trans but how can I verify option and find a build sheet. I haven’t finalized the purchase yet but really like the car
Last edited by Dbednarz; September 3rd, 2019 at 07:24 PM.
I am new on here and looking to buy my first restoration project. If everything lines up like I think it does this should be a semi rare car. I know it’s a 64 f85 2dr from what the owner believes it’s a deluxe sports coupe. He believes it has a b09 “police pursuit” now he did show me towards the firewall a head code of b2 unfortunately he has not found any build codes. From what I found it is an ebony black car with white vinyl interior. By visual it is a floor counsel shifter car and it has to be a factory tach in that counsel. From people looking At the car he was told it does not have a factory trans but how can I verify option and find a build sheet. I haven’t finalized the purchase yet but really like the car
B-09 would be the 442/Police car. Its not a 442, no 4speed, no dual inlet air cleaner. I am not sure if the Police package could be had without being a 442. Whatever he is telling you about a head stamping smells fishy.
I'm not an expert on the early 64-67 models like some of the others but I'm going to take a stab at answering your question.
1. The PO says it's a 442? That is not too likely IMO because this car was built in November of 1963 for the 1964 model year. The 442 package was a response to Pontiacs introduction of the GTO (Gran Tourismo Olimagato) and didn't enter production till around March of 1964. Any of the 64-67 experts can clarify that. Since this is a Lansing car I believe it needs to have a Column 4 code of V to qualify it with the 442. The 1964 SPECS guide (second revision of Feb 1964) doesn't even show the 442 option so I'm thinking no on it being originally a 442.
2. The cowl tag decodes as:
11D - Body built at Lansing Fisher Body Works in the 4th week (D) of November (11)
Style 64 3267
64 - 1964 model year
3 - Oldsmobile
32 - f85
67 - Convertible
LA - Lansing production
Body 2378 - number assigned to body shell by Lansing Fisher Body Works
Trim 967 - Parchment white interior
Paint V - Holiday Red
ACC
Col 1
T - Power Drivers seat?
Col 2
L - Hole and Mounting Plate, Floor Shift Manual Transmission, 4-spd
where did you aquire your coding I can't find anything on the acc code. I am purchasing one and am stuck on that coding mine is 2g
B09 in 1964 was the 442 package. It would have a 2L on the cowl tag for the 4 speed trans. That cat doesn’t have it so it’s not a “police pursuit” B09.
B-09 would be the 442/Police car. Its not a 442, no 4speed, no dual inlet air cleaner. I am not sure if the Police package could be had without being a 442. Whatever he is telling you about a head stamping smells fishy.
So using year one as a source of it shows a 2 being 65 and B being from 66 all 400/442
Correct me if I'm wrong guys but if the build sheet still exists its usually under the rear seat? If he could send us picture of the rear part of the car we surely could tell if its a 64-65 . The picture of the front end with parts missing it's hard to tell. and the side of the car can't tell wither it had the chrome strip running down the side. In another pictures shows a part of the interior door panel hard to tell which pattern it is but between 64-65 I believe the door panels have different patterns.
Spamming the forum by posting the same question in multiple sub-forums is not the way to get an answer. Neither is resurrecting a nearly five year old thread. I've merged all your posts and threads here.
Originally Posted by Dbednarz
So using year one as a source
And THAT'S your first mistake. Third party references, be they Y1, the notorious Oldsmobile FAQ, or the Sullivan book on 442s, is not the most reliable way to get info. Many well documented errors have been found, and frankly, your interpretation of the Y1 data seems to be flawed. Use factory source material to the maximum extent possible.
As for your particular car, Style Code 3127 is an F-85 Deluxe V6 Sport Coupe, however there have been documented cases where the 3127 style code was used on a real 1964 442. We'd need to VIN to tell if this was originally a V6 or V8 car. Obviously a V6 car could not be a real 442. More to the point, your ACC codes only show 2G, which is the code for the CONSOLE brackets (a COUNSEL is a lawyer...). If this were a real B09 car, it would have ACC code 2L for the cutout for the four speed shifter, as required on all 1964 442. Since that is not here, it's not a B09 car. And FYI, RPO B09 was the option code for the 1964 442. The police packages were either B01 City Cruiser Equipment or B07 Highway Patrol Equipment. The difference between the two is that B07 came with the rear sway bar. Neither package was available with the 310 HP motor that was central to the B09 package. In fact, the B09 442 package was essentially the B07 package with a hotter cam and a mandatory 4spd. Since your car doesn't have a 4spd, it's not a B09.
The Dec 2015 issue of Journey with Olds had a very detailed article about the 1964 442s based primarily on the lengthy research done by Dennis Urban.
Thanks for that insight. That’s why reaching out on here. I’ve never had an Oldsmobile so trying to learn as much as I can. The vehicle does have the fill length body side molding and right now all the trunk finisher and taillights are out however here is the vin. I appreciate the help and I’m not disappointed the car isn’t that option package but it’s gilunna deter an the end result for the restoration
You've got a Cutlass Sport Coupe. It's well documented that the VIN and Fisher Body cowl tags didn't match on the style code in a handful of times. This is one of those times. The 1968-69 442s are another. The VIN takes precedence, even though the cowl tag here says it's an F-85 Deluxe and not a Cutlass.
So using year one as a source of it shows a 2 being 65 and B being from 66 all 400/442
If you are referring to the head letter or number... The 66 400 big block engine had a large B near the #1 spark plug hole. The 65 330 small block would have a 2 there, a 64 330 would be a number 1.
If you are referring to the head letter or number... The 66 400 big block engine had a large B near the #1 spark plug hole. The 65 330 small block would have a 2 there, a 64 330 would be a number 1.
Actually, Olds switched to the No. 2 heads late in the 1964 model year. Of course, the head castings are the same on every 330 made that year. People read articles like the stuff in Y1 that says "1966 must have a "B" on the head, and they assume the "B" means it's a 442. That's called a necessary, but not sufficient condition. Just like W-30s have an "M" for the assembly plant. Of course, just because a car has an "M" in the VIN doesn't mean it's automatically a W-30.
The OP was quoting a five year old thread. I moved his post to this thread to keep all his questions in one thread. The November comment applied to the car in the old thread, not this one. This is one of the many problems with resurrecting long-dead threads.
September 3rd, 2019, 07:20 PM
