66-3X2 442

Are there any 64 442 owners here that still have the original engine? I need some info if there is. Contact me @ pchopesq@aol.com

Thanks

Keener

The heads have no other identifiers. The main bearings are made of moraine M-400 rather than M-100 and this will be stamped on the bearing. In a different thread you talked about the POP having an identifier for the 442 option. Back in 2008 or so a guy bought a green 64 442 convertible with jade interior off eBay. He found build tags and had the POP. This information was sent to the Oldsmobile Heritage Center and they believed the "X" on the POP was an identifier for the B09 option. This was a late march built convertible. If you have your POP you should have a "W" in the lower right hand corner.

The other identifiers should be present on your 442 convertible, which, by the way, looks really nice. Great find. Most over look the rear gear. Olds put Buick and Pontiac rears in the F85. Your car should have the beefier Pontiac rear end and the gear SHOULD be 3.36...the mountain gear as it was referred to in the early 60's.

Keener

I've seen POPs for other 64 442s that had all the proper identifiers and the letters in the lower right corner were different. There was a maroon colored 64 442 hardtop that was restored many years ago with detailed pictures and history. The POP had a "T" in the lower right corner with a June delivery date. The other car was a hardtop sold on eBay back in late 2013, dark blue with lots of documentation. This car had a POP with an "S" in the lower right corner and was delivered to the original owner in Minneapolis, MN in early august of 64.

What I haven't told you is that this letter code on the POP is not a B09 option identifier, rather this letter denotes the month the car was built. I'm not sure why the Oldsmobile Heritage Center determined the "X" on the 64 442 convertible was a B09 option identifier. It simply means the car was built in March, which coincides the the late March delivery for that particular convertible. Does this make sense? Sorry to deflate hopes that there was a special code on the POP. The only true way to know the car is a real 64 442 is the window sticker or build sheet if you can find one, or you personally know the original owner.

Keener

I stated you should have a "W" on your POP because you said your car was a 4D build on the data plate. Oldsmobile identified the April built cars with a "W" on the POP.

66-3X2 442

In the first place,I never said I had the POP. What I did say was there is a car with a POP that was one of the last 64 442 built with a very late July build date. The POP had the code I sent you in the PM. I have no idea where you're coming from with a different engine ID code prefix with different build dates. The code on my engine matches the code for the 64 442 with the known POP and dealer invoice. You're not deflating any of my hopes about this or another car. I can't make it any simpler that all I'm interested in which is why are there different engine code prefixes. As stated before,I was told by a long time 64 owner that the extra letter prefix on my & the other 64 442 didn't mean anything. I'm sorry but I'm not buying it. When Olds stamped an engine code,it certainly meant something and that's what I'm trying to learn.

Keener

The letter code I was referring to is on the protect-o-plate, not the engine. A little confusion with my writing. I've sent PMs to clarify. Thanks

66-3X2 442

That's OK and I think we're on the same wave length now.

lunaboy

i have the original heads # 2 big valve and the original m20 with the original tag.
unfortunately the block was swapped for a 66 330. I do have the original cam somewhere;
i could look for the p/n.

66-3X2 442

64 442 heads were #1 castings. Hope you find the cam but I doubt it will have a part # but they are identified by markings on the end of the cam. What is the engine code stamped in the end of your head? Thanks

Keener

Agree with 66-3X2 442, needs to have a #1 on the head. The #2 was the designation for the 65 330.

lunaboy

i will look at the eng code stamp , I thought the late build 64 442 used # 2 heads 06B build date BODYLA

from 442.com
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/of442.htm#442 1964

1964:

Authentication:
No 455's or 400's, only 330's.
2 heads. Driver's side head will contain a VIN derivative stamping begining with 'V'.
Square-bore 4GC carb.

66-3X2 442

That 442.com authentication for the 64 442 is a mess. They were all 4 speeds,no Jetaways as mentioned. There is no V code engine suffix for 64. I would pay that no attention. Let us know when you get your engine code.Thanks

lunaboy

ok will do. is the engine suffix on just one of the heads like on the 66 442 B head? this is way a found on BRO site .
1964-67 V-8 Engine:
Code is stamped on the right cylinder head. Unfortunately, this only applies to what was originally the passenger side head. This code consists of a prefix letter (330 V-8=T (1964-65) or W (1966-67), 400 V-8 = V), then a production sequence number, followed by a suffix code letter ( L = Low compression, E = 2-bbl export, G = High compression, H = 4-bbl export ). A 2-letter code on the oil filler tube identified the engine. so whats that going to tell me the production sequence ... as i have no POP

66-3X2 442

Neither do I,just needing the letters from the engine code. Do not need the numbers.

lunaboy

went though storage today and found the correct # 1 heads from my 64 442. not the # 2 heads i initially thought i removed from the car years ago. i am 100% sure these # 1s came off a true 64 442. the # 1 passenger side head is stamped T178700G

hope this helps with learning more about the engine code on 64 442(S). I will dig out the original oil filler tube and update with the 2 letter code when i find it.

My question is: does anyone else have the two letter code on a true 64 442 330 and what is it ? Could the two letter code on the tube be significant to the 442 eng only or is it just a 64 (G) high compression generic code.

66-3X2 442

There is no published specific code for the 64 442 I can find. The 64 service manual shows the TxxxxxxG as being a 10.25 CR engine. The 290HP 330 was that code,so the service manual was published well before the 442 was available and that's believed to be the code for the 290 HP. It appears from yours and other known 64 442 engines,the T-G code was used on them also.