1970 442 W-30 project
#121
Oh what a feeling! It moves again on its own.....without me pushing it.... I have a few issues but nothing too major. Exhaust leak from the pipes to the manifold, Leaky t-stat housing, noisy power steering pump (hopefully I won't have to take it off) and a sticky throttle cable. I have to get the hood and my air cleaner assembly back on and take care of the other issues then off to the alignment shop. Can't wait for the test drive.
It took less than 3 hours to put the exhaust on by myself with no cutting or bending. It fit pretty good. I will have to look at the leak up at the manifold. So far I am happy with it.
It took less than 3 hours to put the exhaust on by myself with no cutting or bending. It fit pretty good. I will have to look at the leak up at the manifold. So far I am happy with it.
#123
Resto
Nice in Red. You'll spend a few good years locating an original block and tackle though. What was it that you ended up with was it a refresh?
Might want to consider a Mondello motor if you ever get the thirst for performance. They make these things go fast and look good...
Doc
Might want to consider a Mondello motor if you ever get the thirst for performance. They make these things go fast and look good...
Doc
Last edited by DocOldsW30; April 18th, 2014 at 08:58 AM. Reason: redux
#129
I have my other car for the power. It will soon have twin superchargers on it. Unfortunately you guys will not like it because it will not be Olds powered.
#131
Took some pictures outside in the sun yesterday. Celebrated with laying some rubber down. I just have some minor things to do here and there on the car to finish it up. The two major things is a headliner and an alignment. 1st car show is in 2 1/2 weeks, just a local one.
#137
Scott,
What a beautiful car, absolutely gorgeous!!!
Btw, what are the date codes on your W parts? I am collecting date codes of W car specific parts.
Do you mind posting pictures of the carb,dist,and rear end?
Also what is the colour of your OW trans tag and can you post a pic of that too?
Cheers,
Sam
What a beautiful car, absolutely gorgeous!!!
Btw, what are the date codes on your W parts? I am collecting date codes of W car specific parts.
Do you mind posting pictures of the carb,dist,and rear end?
Also what is the colour of your OW trans tag and can you post a pic of that too?
Cheers,
Sam
#138
Got my front end aligned yesterday and got hopefully my last parts in the mail to finally complete my car. This car was A LOT of work but now that I am almost done and will be able to drive it soon it is way worth it.
#139
Stamps
Scott,
What a beautiful car, absolutely gorgeous!!!
Btw, what are the date codes on your W parts? I am collecting date codes of W car specific parts.
Do you mind posting pictures of the carb,dist,and rear end?
Also what is the colour of your OW trans tag and can you post a pic of that too?
Cheers,
Sam
What a beautiful car, absolutely gorgeous!!!
Btw, what are the date codes on your W parts? I am collecting date codes of W car specific parts.
Do you mind posting pictures of the carb,dist,and rear end?
Also what is the colour of your OW trans tag and can you post a pic of that too?
Cheers,
Sam
#141
Scott,
Thanks for the pictures and info on the date codes.
In regards to your trans - that tag is a re -stamp! There are a few things that are incorrect on it. Did you buy it as an original ??
I have many cars here to compare to that have the original OW tags and trans - they don't look like that. The font on your tag is way bigger, the colour for a 70 tag is black, 71 is blue! Your seq. number on trans has 5 digits - have NEVER SEEN more that 4 numbers. The spacing is way off between the font and the location of the stamping on the tag is wrong- look at the distance from the bottom of the tag to the bottom of the font and compare it to an original. This is because the font of the restamped tag is larger.
Your carb looks re stamped too. Will send you pictures of originals later.
I'll let you know on your dist, I'll confirm when I get home tonight.
I have a good friend of mine that can confirm the authenticity of your distributor by using his high tech equipment. I can give you the details how on how this is done.
There are a few on this board that have used him through me for this service. Let me tell you, there have been at least 3- W30 distributors of various years that were confirmed as being restamps. NO charge for this service. I just don't like seeng being being ripped off. You should be getting what you are paying for.
I have NO doubt that at least a couple or more parts you posted pictures of are re stamps and NOT originals. I hope you didn't pay for those as originals, because they are NOT!
Please send me a pm, with your contact information!
Again, what a beautiful car!!
Cheers,
Sam
(70 OW trans picture - original) picture below for reference!!
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Thanks for the pictures and info on the date codes.
In regards to your trans - that tag is a re -stamp! There are a few things that are incorrect on it. Did you buy it as an original ??
I have many cars here to compare to that have the original OW tags and trans - they don't look like that. The font on your tag is way bigger, the colour for a 70 tag is black, 71 is blue! Your seq. number on trans has 5 digits - have NEVER SEEN more that 4 numbers. The spacing is way off between the font and the location of the stamping on the tag is wrong- look at the distance from the bottom of the tag to the bottom of the font and compare it to an original. This is because the font of the restamped tag is larger.
Your carb looks re stamped too. Will send you pictures of originals later.
I'll let you know on your dist, I'll confirm when I get home tonight.
I have a good friend of mine that can confirm the authenticity of your distributor by using his high tech equipment. I can give you the details how on how this is done.
There are a few on this board that have used him through me for this service. Let me tell you, there have been at least 3- W30 distributors of various years that were confirmed as being restamps. NO charge for this service. I just don't like seeng being being ripped off. You should be getting what you are paying for.
I have NO doubt that at least a couple or more parts you posted pictures of are re stamps and NOT originals. I hope you didn't pay for those as originals, because they are NOT!
Please send me a pm, with your contact information!
Again, what a beautiful car!!
Cheers,
Sam
(70 OW trans picture - original) picture below for reference!!
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Last edited by 72xw30; May 3rd, 2014 at 05:19 PM.
#143
Looking awsome Scott,especially the F heads!! Lol
Let me know if you need pics to verify OW trans, I just authenticated 2 70 w30 converts for a client in the last 6 months. 5 didgets?? Never saw that late of a production number
Steve
Let me know if you need pics to verify OW trans, I just authenticated 2 70 w30 converts for a client in the last 6 months. 5 didgets?? Never saw that late of a production number
Steve
#144
#145
Scott,
Where did you buy your restamped trans? And all the other W car parts? Something does not seem right to me!!! Sorry - Scott.
I have a fake one that I was sold approx 10 years ago. (Picture below)
At that time, I didn't know too much about W30 cars and parts. Since that time I have purchased 6 original W30 cars that still retain their OW tags. I have learned a tremendous amount in the past 10 years about W30 cars and parts.
Approx a week ago I chimed in to buy an OW trans that was listed for sale. In the pictures I was sent it was obvious that the trans tag was a restamp, therefore there was no way it was an original trans!
My curiosity was killing me after I was sent the pictures, so I went and checked the tag on the one I bought 10 years ago. BAM, that OW trans was a fake too. The tag was re stamped. The stampings and marking on my "fake" OW are exactly like the one you posted pictures of! 100% FAKE!!!
Also, below are pictures of the other "fake" OW that I was about to purchase last week.
I honestly hope that NO one bought that trans because if you did - you got ripped off!
If you want information, please send me a PM.
Cheers,
Sam
My fake 70 OW trans.
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Fake 70 OW trans tag off the one I was about to purchase last week- what a joke!!!
(stampings are even in the wrong order, look at font size, lol)
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Where did you buy your restamped trans? And all the other W car parts? Something does not seem right to me!!! Sorry - Scott.
I have a fake one that I was sold approx 10 years ago. (Picture below)
At that time, I didn't know too much about W30 cars and parts. Since that time I have purchased 6 original W30 cars that still retain their OW tags. I have learned a tremendous amount in the past 10 years about W30 cars and parts.
Approx a week ago I chimed in to buy an OW trans that was listed for sale. In the pictures I was sent it was obvious that the trans tag was a restamp, therefore there was no way it was an original trans!
My curiosity was killing me after I was sent the pictures, so I went and checked the tag on the one I bought 10 years ago. BAM, that OW trans was a fake too. The tag was re stamped. The stampings and marking on my "fake" OW are exactly like the one you posted pictures of! 100% FAKE!!!
Also, below are pictures of the other "fake" OW that I was about to purchase last week.
I honestly hope that NO one bought that trans because if you did - you got ripped off!
If you want information, please send me a PM.
Cheers,
Sam
My fake 70 OW trans.
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Fake 70 OW trans tag off the one I was about to purchase last week- what a joke!!!
(stampings are even in the wrong order, look at font size, lol)
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Last edited by 72xw30; May 3rd, 2014 at 09:13 PM.
#146
Ow 400
Here's a pic of an OEM...
An original tag can be blue or yellow stamped on aluminum background depending upon month so I have been informed by an old Olds guru...Fonts if they don't look right probably aren't...
An original tag can be blue or yellow stamped on aluminum background depending upon month so I have been informed by an old Olds guru...Fonts if they don't look right probably aren't...
Last edited by DocOldsW30; May 3rd, 2014 at 02:38 PM. Reason: addl. info
#147
Good evening,
This is what I have for the OW trans. tag colours.
68 OW greenish tag
69 OW yellow tag
70 OW black tag
71 OW blue tag
72 OW yellow tag
I would love to see an example of a car with an original OW trans that has a different colour tag than mentioned above.
If it does have a different colour tag than it would need to be confirmed that the OW trans. is original to the specific car by seeng the VIN stampings on the driver side.
This will also give you a good look at the font of the VIN stamping to see if it's different than an original stamping. This again is easy to tell.
Anyone have one???
I have original cars for all the above mentioned years, plus some that are a great reference tool. The font is an easy one to tell especially when you have originals to compare to.
I bet there are a ton of W30 (OW) trans floating around that the tag has been re-stamped. I think the Parts Place someone like that sell blank tags. This is just like there are more W30 cars now than they OLDS ever built.
BTW, has anyone heard of or seen rear ends - specifically W30 posi units to where the 2 letter application code on the axle was re- stamped? Again, the font gives it away.
Cheers,
Sam
This is what I have for the OW trans. tag colours.
68 OW greenish tag
69 OW yellow tag
70 OW black tag
71 OW blue tag
72 OW yellow tag
I would love to see an example of a car with an original OW trans that has a different colour tag than mentioned above.
If it does have a different colour tag than it would need to be confirmed that the OW trans. is original to the specific car by seeng the VIN stampings on the driver side.
This will also give you a good look at the font of the VIN stamping to see if it's different than an original stamping. This again is easy to tell.
Anyone have one???
I have original cars for all the above mentioned years, plus some that are a great reference tool. The font is an easy one to tell especially when you have originals to compare to.
I bet there are a ton of W30 (OW) trans floating around that the tag has been re-stamped. I think the Parts Place someone like that sell blank tags. This is just like there are more W30 cars now than they OLDS ever built.
BTW, has anyone heard of or seen rear ends - specifically W30 posi units to where the 2 letter application code on the axle was re- stamped? Again, the font gives it away.
Cheers,
Sam
Last edited by 72xw30; May 3rd, 2014 at 05:19 PM.
#150
#151
It's from another thread here on CO.
There is a julian date on the front of the pumpkin,just behind the yoke,on the passnger side.That is when the pumpkin was cast,& that date will be 30-60 days before your car was built.Yes,your axle shaft is twisted,& I would not bother with that one.I have some spares,if you can't find one,but you need to find one from another 70 12-bolt O-axle,as they had the tapered roller bearing,with the outboard seal.The earlier rears had a sealed bearing design,& the shafts were machined differently for those bearings.The Vista rears will not work because they are thicker at the ends for a larger bearing.
Sam
Last edited by 72xw30; May 3rd, 2014 at 10:14 PM.
#152
I will look for this hopefully today.
Scott,
Thanks for the pictures and info on the date codes.
In regards to your trans - that tag is a re -stamp! There are a few things that are incorrect on it. Did you buy it as an original ??
I have many cars here to compare to that have the original OW tags and trans - they don't look like that. The font on your tag is way bigger, the colour for a 70 tag is black, 71 is blue! Your seq. number on trans has 5 digits - have NEVER SEEN more that 4 numbers. The spacing is way off between the font and the location of the stamping on the tag is wrong- look at the distance from the bottom of the tag to the bottom of the font and compare it to an original. This is because the font of the restamped tag is larger.
Your carb looks re stamped too. Will send you pictures of originals later.
I'll let you know on your dist, I'll confirm when I get home tonight.
I have a good friend of mine that can confirm the authenticity of your distributor by using his high tech equipment. I can give you the details how on how this is done.
There are a few on this board that have used him through me for this service. Let me tell you, there have been at least 3- W30 distributors of various years that were confirmed as being restamps. NO charge for this service. I just don't like seeng being being ripped off. You should be getting what you are paying for.
I have NO doubt that at least a couple or more parts you posted pictures of are re stamps and NOT originals. I hope you didn't pay for those as originals, because they are NOT!
Please send me a pm, with your contact information!
Again, what a beautiful car!!
Cheers,
Sam
Thanks for the pictures and info on the date codes.
In regards to your trans - that tag is a re -stamp! There are a few things that are incorrect on it. Did you buy it as an original ??
I have many cars here to compare to that have the original OW tags and trans - they don't look like that. The font on your tag is way bigger, the colour for a 70 tag is black, 71 is blue! Your seq. number on trans has 5 digits - have NEVER SEEN more that 4 numbers. The spacing is way off between the font and the location of the stamping on the tag is wrong- look at the distance from the bottom of the tag to the bottom of the font and compare it to an original. This is because the font of the restamped tag is larger.
Your carb looks re stamped too. Will send you pictures of originals later.
I'll let you know on your dist, I'll confirm when I get home tonight.
I have a good friend of mine that can confirm the authenticity of your distributor by using his high tech equipment. I can give you the details how on how this is done.
There are a few on this board that have used him through me for this service. Let me tell you, there have been at least 3- W30 distributors of various years that were confirmed as being restamps. NO charge for this service. I just don't like seeng being being ripped off. You should be getting what you are paying for.
I have NO doubt that at least a couple or more parts you posted pictures of are re stamps and NOT originals. I hope you didn't pay for those as originals, because they are NOT!
Please send me a pm, with your contact information!
Again, what a beautiful car!!
Cheers,
Sam
Well this is not the news I wanted to hear. I am almost finished with my car then I find this out. I will definitely check into this closer since I was trying to find the correct parts for this car and with me being new to the Olds restoration part of it, I was trusting people who I thought knew their stuff. The guy I bought it from saw this thread yesterday and texted me and wants to make it right with the trans. At that time I was not in front of my computer looking at this thread and I did not see that you posted about the distributor and carb too. I bought all that from the same person here on CO at the same time. I bought carb, distributor, trans, rearend, waterpump, rad support and other misc. parts at the same time. That was early on in my build and I know I needed the parts so he said he had all these correct parts for my car. This really sucks because I thought I was doing this car correct by finding original correct parts for it. Now its done and I am going to have to go back and find the correct parts and re-do everything. Alot of time and money lost. I will try and get a hold of him and see what is going on with the other re-stamp parts. Thanks for looking out for me as I, not knowing, would have passed these parts bolted to my car as real original.
Sam, I will take you up on your friend to look at the distributor to make sure it is a re-stamp.
#154
Scott,
Here are some pictures of original 0258 carbs.
Check the 8 in the "0258" and K in the "RK". They are consistent with the other characters that are stamped.
Sam
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Hope others will post too.
Sam
Here are some pictures of original 0258 carbs.
Check the 8 in the "0258" and K in the "RK". They are consistent with the other characters that are stamped.
Sam
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Hope others will post too.
Sam
#155
Scott,
Pictures of An original 979 dist.
Please post detailed pictures of your 979 distributor.
I will PM you the details on where to get your checked out.
Sam
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Pictures of An original 979 dist.
Please post detailed pictures of your 979 distributor.
I will PM you the details on where to get your checked out.
Sam
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#156
Here's a pic of my carb and distributor markings - both components indisputably off my 70 W30 01D production car. The carb was restored by Carb Junkys ( I secretly marked something on it to make sure I got the same one back) and the distributor is unrestored, but somewhere along the line the vac. advance was replaced.
Really sorry to hear about your problems Lots of sharks out there.
Really sorry to hear about your problems Lots of sharks out there.
#158
Look at the stampings on this rear?
Again, the font is very interesting and different compared to other TM and TO coded rear ends I have seen and own. The font is larger and fatter and stamped much deeper.
Font looks similar in style to the "SF" coded rear that Scott has.
Costpenn, can you please post pictures of yours. I will post more pictures when home later.
Nice if others could post pictures of the 2 letter stampings on the axle tube.
Cheers,
Sam
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Again, the font is very interesting and different compared to other TM and TO coded rear ends I have seen and own. The font is larger and fatter and stamped much deeper.
Font looks similar in style to the "SF" coded rear that Scott has.
Costpenn, can you please post pictures of yours. I will post more pictures when home later.
Nice if others could post pictures of the 2 letter stampings on the axle tube.
Cheers,
Sam
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Last edited by 72xw30; May 4th, 2014 at 03:32 PM.
#159
Look at the stampings on this rear?
Again, the font is very interesting and different compared to other TM and TO coded rear ends I have seen and own. The font is larger and fatter and stamped much deeper.
Font looks similar in style to the "SF" coded rear that Scott has.
Cost pen, can you please post pictures of yours. I will post more pictures when home later.
Nice if others could post pictures of the 2 letter stampings on the axle tube.
Cheers,
Sam
Again, the font is very interesting and different compared to other TM and TO coded rear ends I have seen and own. The font is larger and fatter and stamped much deeper.
Font looks similar in style to the "SF" coded rear that Scott has.
Cost pen, can you please post pictures of yours. I will post more pictures when home later.
Nice if others could post pictures of the 2 letter stampings on the axle tube.
Cheers,
Sam