Diego

We don't know to whom the cars were sold. I think we can assume 10 were sold to customers and zero sold to police departments, but assuming doesn't make it factual.

Allan R

I don't know. I'll have to flag that for attention when I see the car again. I just hope the elder gentleman who owns it is still around next year.

No problem. I'll get in touch with the owner somehow and find out. If he can prove that dash and speedo is original to the car I guess he will own 2 65's then. If it's not? Hey you win!

You know, some people DO customize their cars to suit their tastes right? Changing a paint color on the dash is not the end all of great comparisons. Neither is the MSD or Mondello heads or aftermarket gages. I even stated the engine wasn't the original. I think its REASONABLE to accept those things as non stock. If you read back in my original post, the ONLY thing I said was the owner claims this to be an original 442 Police Interceptor. IMO, Everything I posted was in line with what Scot is looking for in terms of 'special' cars. I guess the best way for me to counter your point would be: PROVE it's not! I want conclusive proof, documentation etc that there's absolutely NO WAY that car could have been ordered from Olds as a 2 door Police Interceptor.

Yeah, I guess I need the cars pedigree in pics for anyone to accept it's a real W30. That's fine, not worth arguing over.

Diego

If you were buying that car, I would think you'd want the owner to provide proof, not for you to prove it's possible it was a PI. I don't see how TK's point should be approached any differently.

Diego

What makes you think you are the arbiter of this thread? If you introduce a discussion, you should reasonably expect communication from others on the merits (or lack thereof) of a post. Are you interested in the cars, or your ego? There are several people on this site who know more about Oldsmobiles than you and me combined and this is an opportunity to learn about these cars. However, I don't see many of those people participating, perhaps because you've automatically become an "expert" and have allowed yourself to sense any counterpoint as criticism of you instead of the facts. Relax a bit and enjoy the ride instead of diverting attention from cars to me because not only am I not in the wrong, but I'm going to continue being interested in seeing what neat finds you make.

allyolds68

The title of this thread, started by you, is "Special Order Cars". Introducing cars that are not documented as "Special Order" invites critics such as Diego to challenge your assertions. I don't see any problem with that. I enjoyed the true special order cars, such as the pink convertible. Those are really interesting to me.

Diego

GA, why don't you delete your posts and then we can delete ours and the thread can continue on the wavelength in which it was intended?

GAOldsman

Happy Birthday To You, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday Deigo, Jasen, Bob, Kurt Happy Birthday To You

Now you guys can finally be happy Oh wait my bad, you'll just find somewhere else to troll LOL

Diego

Scot, the issue is with you, not me. I am not the only one who sees that. You should post more pink cars for us to appreciate rather than get all defensive.

Allan R

Can't argue that IF I was buying the car I would like to see the proof as claimed because that would definitely be part of a negotiation on price. Not dumb enough to think otherwise. Didn't I say in a previous post that I'll ask the owner to dig it out or I'll try to link up with him on that? All the things that Jason has identified as being 'wrong' with the car are either minor issues or imagined. The cowl rivet? He sees a hardware store rivet in that pic?? Give me a break, I've seen plenty of cowl rivets sanded shiny. With all the things he sees wrong with it I'm surprised he even acknowledges it's a 65 442. I will eventually get a pic of that cowl tag for you. And I will ask the owner if he can show me the docs so I can present them here for you all to see. Until then, I'm satisfied to accept his word that it is what it is. I will go back and change the wording from Police Interceptor to 'Owner Alleged Police Apprehender Option' though till it is proved.

I'm sure Jason can defend his own statements without your help. I'm open to hearing his concerns on all that's wrong. The I can address them to the owner next time I see him.

Do you have any issues with the other cars I posted there, or are all of them just 'alleged special order cars that may or may not have any shred of credibility to their heritage"? I didn't post pics of a 69 442 that OldsmobileDave brought to the show even though he claims it to be a special paint job ordered by a factory executive. There was no evidence on the cowl tag of that, and Dave didn't offer any documentation of that either. I feel I am contributing to Scots thread in the spirit he requested. Nothing more, nothing less. I will continue to do so in the spirit it was created until the thread is closed/locked or I die.

AlleyOlds (Mike) - I understand and accept your point about the nature of how threads invite comments. It also comes down to how something is typed or presented. Maybe one day this site will have SKYPE or something that will allow members to talk to each other instead of typing. Open speach may present more flexibility and may lessen the chance of misunderstanding how ideas are presented. Just a thought.

car_designer

That is a Hurst shift ball. It is a NASCAR 50th anniversary edition one.

Allan R

So that's something that could easily be replaced based on owner preference right? I knew someone here would know what it was. So that means it would have been from around 2008? Well heck, if you're gonna be shifting a mean machine like that, might as well have something that screams 'racing' on the shifter too! Just did a quick search it looks like to celebrate the 50th, there were TONS of promo things made and sold. This shifter ball must be one of them. Thanks Paul.

Apparently they were available in Black or White

TK-65

Ive offered up some facts, like the police brochure, and asked some legit questions about the car. I dont just fawn over everything said at car shows and take it as fact without asking questions or wanting proof. Truthfully I dont even give a crap.

TK-65

I dont give a rats behind as to whats wrong and whats right. Not my car to judge, and I dont judge. Only reason I pointed out the non factory items was you presented the car as being an "interceptor", which is not even the correct term. So the guy has a car with a bunch of wrong parts and uses the wrong name for the so called special option and Im suppose to take his word for it? I wouldnt call him out but I sure as hell would fact check it before touting it on the internet.

Things such as the engine being incorrect, and almost everything attached to it being non factory are not minor nor imagined. And the rivet has not been sanded shiny (who does that anyway). Its a large round head rivet applied with a hand squeezed gun. Not the flat, small ridge rivets used by GM to attach cowl tags.

You can take his word for it but Ive seen enough of these cars to know whats right and whats been messed with. Even seen a car that had a hardtop VIN attached to its post coupe door pillar...with rusty hardware store rivets.

TK-65

Here is another of those special 442s with the rare cowl tag rivets.

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Real Fisher Body trim tag rivets,

TK-65

Here is one special order car, one of 4 specially made by Olds, or was it Hurst, anyway its one of 4 prototype 67 Hurst Oldsmobiles. Has a 425, or 455, or something.

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=63885

Allan R

Apparently you do - to both of your statements. Well that's fine. Take care. Bye.
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vistacruiser67

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MARCH 1968 SUPER STOCK MAGAZINE


3 made by Hurst. One sold through a California dealer.

vistacruiser67

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FWD 68 442. 3 BUILT BY HURST. ONE FOR GEORGE HURST. ONE SOLD THROUGH A CALIFORNIA DEALERSHIP.

1968 442 with a 455 with front wheel drive. It was purchased in 1970 from Guy Martin delarship in Woodland Park, California. The story is that only 3 of these cars manufactured as a special order from Hurst from Oldsmobile. This is the only one known to still be in existence. It is gold with a black stripe. The VIN is 344878M137975.

GAOldsman

WOWSER

Allan R

Very nice write up and presentation. Started by looking at the pics. Suddenly realized looking at the pics that it has Toro wheels on it too! Then I read the article.....nice engineering. Too bad only 3 of them were done.

vistacruiser67

They should have used a column shift on this car whether it the car was bench or bucket seat car. Although I know some Toronados were floor shift. Could you imagine how easy it would be with no floor console to get to the back seat without opening the doors?

Allan R

Any idea of whether all 3 of these cars were consecutive VIN's? And, why would the back seat be that important to get to without opening the doors??? ohhhh, never mind

sammy

Now that is a special order!...it is cool how they stuffed that in a 442. It looks like it has tilt steering.....

Ted

Allan R

And you think I have an eagle eye... Great observation Ted!

scumdog

Some nasty looking rubbing on that hose caused by the steering shaft.

TK-65

I dont know if this is a reference to flat floorpans, ala Toro, but the hump is still in the 442.

vistacruiser67

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Actually the article states they flatten the transmission hump. Bottom right picture above and caption. Note how they built up the console. One just cant see it very well the flat floor. Its not a good picture but you can see the welds.

vistacruiser67

Dont know about the VINS. George Hurst had one for a while but how any dealership ever got ahold of one of these is beyond me. This car was obviously in storage and its like a son and law of the buyer telling the story. I will post the link here when I find it again.

jfb

hey i love this conversation history is beautiful on these cars. I grew up in the late eighties and read a few stories and respect the original owners and the cars. I read that the 455,s were installed at the factory and demmer mostly painted them with a work horse painter and there was supposed to be a moving wing on the ho,s also but was deleted for time i wish i was there to see the ho,s built and scorching the tires personally. I also read that doc watson had 2 built running in the 12,s that he kept and the dashes were real walnut not fake on the ho,s

vistacruiser67

http://sbctango.activeboard.com/t416...1968-olds-442/



This is the link where I got the pictures of the gold car.

MDchanic

Hos are certainly interesting from a distance, cruising along in "that neighborhood," but, let me assure you that, close-up and personal, hos are not nearly as appealing as they look from inside your car.
For one thing, even the young ones look older than they are.
For another, personal hygiene is an issue after a long night's "work."

I'd stick with "nice girls."

- Eric

vistacruiser67

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allyolds68

I wonder if the Fouranado was originally a 442. I've never seen the VIN for it. The body tag is a Lansing one which wouldn't have a 344 anyway. Obviously the car has been painted. The paint code is A-A which is Black/Black. The interior code is 940 (black buckets). This tells me they started with donor car and modified the crap out of it. None of the pics of the front show whether the hood has the "Oldsmobile" on the front left or not and the only pic of the trunk appears to have a H/O logo not the 442.

I know we've been through this time and time again but this is not a "Special Order" car like a Hurst/Olds. I don't care if one was sold through a dealer. It's an interesting part of automotive history just like any "custom" that George Barris or Chip Foose does.

edit: I see someone posted the VIN above so they did start with a 442 body


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