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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:31 PM
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Special-order 1970 4-4-2

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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:35 PM
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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:42 PM
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Well I dont have a 70 paint chart handy but there was a raspberry/pinkish color for the Toro only in 1970 however the paint that is on this car does not look like it. It appears to be more chocolate color....
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Luv the matching numbers 10 bolt rear end!!
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paint code 76 was "Regency Rose Metallic" Toronado/Riviera "Sunset Sage Metallic" ONLY - the paint chip look to have more "pink" in it VS. the pics on eBay (could be the lighting??)
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Fyi

I asked him to prove that this was a 1 of 1 car....he chose not to reply.
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He's supposed to post a pic of the data plate tomorrow.
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Regardless of the 1 of 1 the color in my opinion does not work with the shape of the car, looks bland.
Color does not always dictate value.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 08:12 PM
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Of course color dictates value - how could it not?
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Of course color dictates value. Desireable colors bring more and undesirable colors bring less. How is it determined that this is a one of one car? Also, I thought special order colors were represented with a dash at the color code line of the cowl tag. Am I mistaken about this?
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Old August 1st, 2014, 08:24 PM
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When it comes to Olds data plates, I think they did things differently than other brands in GM. Just like the extra-cost colors often had dashes, I know I have seen a special-order car or two with the proper paint code. Prob if it had a non-RPO color outside 1970 GM, it would have gotten the dashes for sure.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 09:04 PM
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If the cowl tag shows two dashes for the PNT code, the only way this car can be proven to have that color would be to also have the build sheet. Since it's a Freemont car, it might be on there. I have also seen cars with extra cost paint with the color palet code listed correctly. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I also would like to know how to prove 'one of one'. No records exist that I'm aware of that document the number of special order cars produced by Oldsmobile.

Whoever did the respray did a nice job, but sad to see the manufacturing decal and tire pressure decal on the drivers door are missing. Also, where's the washer fluid reservoir gone, and where is the wheel opening trim? Those were standard on 1970 442's IIRC.
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To me, when someone says "1 of 1" it's just another way of saying "This one is special - I date you to find another one."

Which is BS either way.
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Originally Posted by Diego
Of course color dictates value - how could it not?
You missed the little word "always".
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Color "always" dictates value. Goose-$#!+ green is always going to be worth less than Rally Red, all things being equal.
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I find it funny that someone and I know it happens to not put out the extra $ what 60.00 bucks and not get the 442 cowl hood on it
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special option color only for tornados
I wonder what the special option color would be for sharknados?
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The bigger problem is that once again, here's a high dollar, fully loaded car with alleged rare paint, that has been subjected to a complete restoration and repaint! How many of these options were added when the car was apart? Is this color even the original color of the car? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 08:41 AM
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data plate says 76-76

nice looking car - bet it looks better in person in the sunlight.
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Good catch Steven. For some reason not all the images on the ebay listing would load when I looked at the ad the first time. The color palette and data plate were 2 of them. I think that establishes this cars paint fairly well. Obviously it had to be special ordered to get that.

It looks like this car was built in Freemont. Also a very low body number that would tend to support that so the build sheet may be still with it somewhere? The seller makes no mention of other documents (POP, build sheet, broadcast cards, original BOS etc) that would add to this cars provenance. I noted the fuel tank is painted black, which leads me to question whether this was a body on or body off restoration. The build sheet could still be on top of the tank....just thinking out loud here.
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Originally Posted by johnnyjaws
I find it funny that someone and I know it happens to not put out the extra $ what 60.00 bucks and not get the 442 cowl hood on it

Of course you realize that this was three days take home pay at the time.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:58 AM
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For the life of me I couldn't figure out what the "cowl hood" was till now.

The W-25 wasn't everywhere back when new, showing up in 12.8% of production through June 1970. That doesn't include 3100 W-30s built, so total production would likely be under 6,000 4-4-2s for 1970.

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Help the ignorant here, but the Oldsmobile script on the left tip of the hood is correct on which cars in 1970?
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Originally Posted by Koda
Help the ignorant here, but the Oldsmobile script on the left tip of the hood is correct on which cars in 1970?
I'm 99% sure that's correct on a 442 without the OAI hood for 70. The real issue is when is the last time you have seen a 1970 442 with out the OAI hood
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'71 turn signal lever, 10 bolt rear end, incorrect oil filler cap, funky brake booster, '72 AC hose with muffler. Not to be a nit picking jerk, but the description does say museum quality.

Koda & Steven,
The Oldsmobile emblem on the left front of the hood is correct for the '70-'72 442s without OAI. Also maybe the '69s?
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69 hood emblem

Originally Posted by oldspackrat
'71 turn signal lever, 10 bolt rear end, incorrect oil filler cap, funky brake booster, '72 AC hose with muffler. Not to be a nit picking jerk, but the description does say museum quality.

Koda & Steven,
The Oldsmobile emblem on the left front of the hood is correct for the '70-'72 442s without OAI. Also maybe the '69s?

Not correct for 1969 442 but correct for 1969 Cutlass.
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Originally Posted by oldspackrat
'71 turn signal lever, 10 bolt rear end, incorrect oil filler cap, funky brake booster, '72 AC hose with muffler. Not to be a nit picking jerk, but the description does say museum quality.

Koda & Steven,
The Oldsmobile emblem on the left front of the hood is correct for the '70-'72 442s without OAI. Also maybe the '69s?

That oil filter cap is correct I'm pretty sure. - wrong alternator, wrong floor matts
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Steven,
You're right, at first quick glance I thought it was the type with the vertical fin along the top, thanks for the correction.
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Looks like Regency Rose to me, or really looks more like 1971 Briar. The colors were similar but different codes.

That pinkish rose was called Flamingo Silver. Again, Toronado-only.

Odd color for a 442 but I like it. I get tired of seeing them in the same old resale colors.
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vs Briar

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Looks like Regency Rose to me, or really looks more like 1971 Briar. The colors were similar but different codes.

That pinkish rose was called Flamingo Silver. Again, Toronado-only.

Odd color for a 442 but I like it. I get tired of seeing them in the same old resale colors.


I owned a 1971 Briar car. It is more brown.
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Well, my color blind a#@ can't tell what it is, just a drab color to me.
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So you're color blind Dan? It's bright orange... with a hint of lime and yellow....Doesn't look drab at all.
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So you're color blind Dan?
Not that color blind!
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