Special Order Cars
May 14th, 2012, 02:46 PM
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I guess it could be done, maybe just hook both wires up to the oil sending unit? Does this not lower the voltage going to the oil gauge and creating false readings?
May 14th, 2012, 02:59 PM
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I agree that's how it "could" be done but according to the docs I have; T-81 Headlamp off delay control, night-watch is NA with U21 Rocket Rally Pac.
I guess it could be done, maybe just hook both wires up to the oil sending unit? Does this not lower the voltage going to the oil gauge and creating false readings?
I guess it could be done, maybe just hook both wires up to the oil sending unit? Does this not lower the voltage going to the oil gauge and creating false readings?
The way I read the schematic, there is no voltage to the night watch system till after the car has been turned off and the button pressed. What are your thoughts?
May 14th, 2012, 08:41 PM
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That arrow on the hood of the '69 H/O, looks a lot like the one used on the '69 Hurst S/C Rambler. The 65 Cutlass with the 330/315hp, "says drivetrain like a 442", except in '65 the 442 had a 400 ci for thr first time.
May 14th, 2012, 09:36 PM
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May 16th, 2012, 05:42 AM
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1965 Olds Cutlass, unrestored original, 330/315hp special ultra-high compression (10.5:1) engine and factory 4-speed. Original one family owned until August 2010 with 19,217 original miles. Documented special order car with Broadcast Sheet, owner's protection plan booklet with Protect-O-Plate, original Arizona title and registration signed and dated January 12, 1965, original dealer mandatory State of Arizona vehicle inspection with dated receipt sticker still on windshield. The car was special ordered with the 330/315hp special ultra-high compression engine along with a M20 4-speed transmission, bucket seats, floor carpeting thick pile, dash safety padding, chrome drip rail, extra foam padded rear seat cushions and it was built at the Fremont, CA plant the 3rd week of December, 1964, delivered to John Elias Motors in Nogales, AZ and sold to Consuelo A. Rios on January 6, 1965.
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The car has all the drivetrain options of a 442 but it isn't a 442. It's a street sleeper.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=443&pop=0
The car has all the drivetrain options of a 442 but it isn't a 442. It's a street sleeper.
What exactly is special about this car? All the options it has are listed as available on any Cutlass. Olds built a few 4 speed Cutlasses, F-85s and wagons. Nothing special other than checking off those boxes on the order sheet.
And it does not have all the drivetrain options that a 442 has, since it has a small block 330 under the hood.
May 16th, 2012, 05:47 AM
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I feel "special-order color" needs to be clarified. This is one man's opinion (stated a few times on this site, I'm sure) and not 100% fact, but the distinction needs to be made.
The four optional colors available for 1970 A-bodies may be "special-order" but are merely optional, extra-cost colors. They were RPO per the order form.
The Rallye Green W-31 posted above is a "true" special-order car, as the color was not RPO for Olds (unless it was introduced mid-year as an RPO, which I can't say either way).
I don't think saying "special-order" for both instances in the same breath is accurate.
The four optional colors available for 1970 A-bodies may be "special-order" but are merely optional, extra-cost colors. They were RPO per the order form.
The Rallye Green W-31 posted above is a "true" special-order car, as the color was not RPO for Olds (unless it was introduced mid-year as an RPO, which I can't say either way).
I don't think saying "special-order" for both instances in the same breath is accurate.
May 16th, 2012, 06:27 AM
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I am a little confused by what you're saying.
The four optional/special-order colors available in 1970 are not really rare, and it would not be unusual for a dealer to order a car in any of these colors for dealer stock.
The Rallye Green car, on the other hand, does not fit that scenario. Neither does the Ming Jade '70 above (admittedly, a better example to use).
The four optional/special-order colors available in 1970 are not really rare, and it would not be unusual for a dealer to order a car in any of these colors for dealer stock.
The Rallye Green car, on the other hand, does not fit that scenario. Neither does the Ming Jade '70 above (admittedly, a better example to use).
May 16th, 2012, 06:54 AM
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The extra-cost/special-order colors are not rare if you go to shows and check out the data plates. I'm sure there are plenty of other colors, like black, that are rarer yet they were not extra-cost colors. It's no different in the Mopar world - you had to spend a few bucks extra to order a High Impact color like Plum Crazy. As it stands, that color was the most popular color for the 1970 Challenger and was popular on other performance Mopars.
Ordering a Sebring Yellow 442 was no different than ordering power windows - you paid for the option.
Ordering a Sebring Yellow 442 was no different than ordering power windows - you paid for the option.
May 16th, 2012, 07:19 AM
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I see where Diego is going, I for one see a lot of special order 70 442s, mostly Nugget Gold and Rallye Red. There is a W30 Sebring Yellow near my house driven all year around. Again, you had to order it that color but I'm sure a lot of dealers ordered some just to have something "different" on their lot which ended up being "not so different"
May 16th, 2012, 07:25 AM
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The extra-cost/special-order colors are not rare if you go to shows and check out the data plates. I'm sure there are plenty of other colors, like black, that are rarer yet they were not extra-cost colors. It's no different in the Mopar world - you had to spend a few bucks extra to order a High Impact color like Plum Crazy. As it stands, that color was the most popular color for the 1970 Challenger and was popular on other performance Mopars.
Ordering a Sebring Yellow 442 was no different than ordering power windows - you paid for the option.
Ordering a Sebring Yellow 442 was no different than ordering power windows - you paid for the option.
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May 16th, 2012, 08:29 AM
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That's a whole different conversation. Has nothing to do with this.
That is what makes a car unique.The highest motor in a 69 Camaro was the 396. Why are there 427 Camaros?Because it was special order.And any of these cars are becoming rarer.
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Regardless, 427 Camaros are also a different topic. For one thing, Chevrolet made the 427 available for the Camaro. Who made Rallye Green available on the F-85? Certainly not Olds.
May 16th, 2012, 10:29 AM
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I guess this whole debate centers around the term special option. If the option had a RPO, was listed and you could order it, its not a special option. That term didnt even exist, there were no secret order books with hidden options that the general public never knew about. Some cars have certain popular options and some do not.
As for that 65 that B-J sold, I wouldnt believe a word those hucksters say. They do not verify cars, do not confirm even if they are real. Examples being a certain Camaro Ron Pratt bought that was a "rebody" and a certain JFK ambulance that was used in a JFK movie and not in Dallas on that fateful day.
FYI, the dealer would not paint a car to complete a sale. You would have to pay them to paint it or you werent getting that car. This fallacy of factories building whatever you wanted and dealers installing rocket boosters to sell a car is getting out of hand.
As for that 65 that B-J sold, I wouldnt believe a word those hucksters say. They do not verify cars, do not confirm even if they are real. Examples being a certain Camaro Ron Pratt bought that was a "rebody" and a certain JFK ambulance that was used in a JFK movie and not in Dallas on that fateful day.
FYI, the dealer would not paint a car to complete a sale. You would have to pay them to paint it or you werent getting that car. This fallacy of factories building whatever you wanted and dealers installing rocket boosters to sell a car is getting out of hand.
May 16th, 2012, 02:57 PM
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Scot I think that's it in a nutshell. Getting the Brass to sign off on what you want. If the factory had it -somewhere- and you got the okay the car would get built. That's not to say you wouldn't have to pay for it.
A fairly well known car in the Ford circle is a 67 Country Squire with a top loader 4speed. That trans wasn't available in the wagon, but the guy who ordered it wrote to Lee I. himself and Lee okayed it. Along with the top loader, the wagon also got unavailable bucket seats and sport console. This car was his compromise between needing a family car and wanting a hot rod.
I worked at a Chevy place in the 80s and they would get approval for some odd color combinations. As long as the owner of the dealership said it was for his personal use or promotion they would build it.
If this is too hijacked, go ahead and delete me!
A fairly well known car in the Ford circle is a 67 Country Squire with a top loader 4speed. That trans wasn't available in the wagon, but the guy who ordered it wrote to Lee I. himself and Lee okayed it. Along with the top loader, the wagon also got unavailable bucket seats and sport console. This car was his compromise between needing a family car and wanting a hot rod.
I worked at a Chevy place in the 80s and they would get approval for some odd color combinations. As long as the owner of the dealership said it was for his personal use or promotion they would build it.
If this is too hijacked, go ahead and delete me!
May 18th, 2012, 03:41 AM
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Very good article on the special order colors. The owner of the dealership where my car was sold new said the special order paint was $50.00 his cost and a side benefit was that 442's ordered through this program did not count against his allotment number.
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May 26th, 2012, 05:07 AM
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Sorry it took so long. Like I said. Dads 71 44,xxx miles S.O new and he still ownes. Been some chages over the years. but still weres it org paint.the top has been replaced.but there she is.
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May 26th, 2012, 09:17 PM
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May 29th, 2012, 04:32 AM
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The royal was S.O. and he had to wait awhile to get it. He drove it for 5 years we used it to tow a camper lol. Then in 75 he was going to trade it in. He a mom went to look at the 75 royal conv and they didn't like them thats when he said i will keep it. Like i said the car has been to a few nats shows. ( placed every time) The last nat show it went to the judge said nice wheels to bad they are not stock. We have the books.for the car and a pic of the old man when he was not old picking it up at the dealer. So it has never been back to the nats. It is cool to see the car i grew up in went to the drive in in. Took grand ma out to dinner in, familay picnics Its still there and looks great it is part of our family and we all love it. It may not get used like it should which is sad but dad keeps her in a bubble and it looks happy there.
May 29th, 2012, 11:45 AM
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Wow Scott, you've got some impressive info and pictorial displays on this thread. I was surprised to see how much info you've collected so far about special orders and Olds.
May 31st, 2012, 04:33 AM
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He has every thing that came with the car.Widow sticker,dealer book that he ordered out of not a flea market find. The build sheet is still under the back seat and he has th reciet from the dealer he bought it from.
June 1st, 2012, 05:11 AM
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Would like to but not my car still fill like a littel kid asking toplay with daddys toy. lol All the paper work is in the truck so may be able to scan some of it. (I took me awhile to get pics on here) Tinman
June 22nd, 2012, 09:43 AM
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Not sure if anything, but from the build sheet from my 70 CS, it has a Y68 Color Comp Ex and a bypass code 2. Box 108'protect o plate,reads Bypass 974D, and paint E2 ?
Love to know what that meant,
Car was a Freemont build and sequence no 891' built Aug, 1969
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Love to know what that meant,
Car was a Freemont build and sequence no 891' built Aug, 1969
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June 22nd, 2012, 06:23 PM
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Scot,
It has strato buckets - that's on the build sheet far left side. There are 2 references to GOLD on the boxes but I can't make out whether that's for trim or not. Ted will be along shortly with an answer I'm sure.
It has strato buckets - that's on the build sheet far left side. There are 2 references to GOLD on the boxes but I can't make out whether that's for trim or not. Ted will be along shortly with an answer I'm sure.
June 22nd, 2012, 06:53 PM
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They used them, they were in the trash can at the end of the line. Ask the guys that worked there
June 22nd, 2012, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by davebw31
Yo Guys
Olds DID NOT put the Broadcast Chassis Build sheet in the cars built in the Lansing Assembly Plant, at least from 68-73 when I worked there. I always saw them in the trash barrel near the rollers where they checked engine/trans/driveability. Don't know about other plants.
Olds DID NOT put the Broadcast Chassis Build sheet in the cars built in the Lansing Assembly Plant, at least from 68-73 when I worked there. I always saw them in the trash barrel near the rollers where they checked engine/trans/driveability. Don't know about other plants.
June 22nd, 2012, 07:10 PM
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You need to listen to the right people. If you'd look around and observe, you'd see build sheets from other plants *in 1965* like mine from Kansas City, and you'd be able to determine for yourself that your "top notch GM guy" doesn't know what he's talking about.
June 22nd, 2012, 09:08 PM
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Paperwork
I have and I now believe you guys are chasing your tails looking for something that never was. A unicorn brother.
Here is a copy of the chassis broadcast "build sheet" (if you will) from Lansing courtesy of 1969w3155
Here is a copy of a body broadcast "build sheet" (If you will) also from Lansing from gator69olds
Here is the only build sheet(s) you'll find from Fremont and a few other plants
I might not be the brightest bulb in the house, but I ain't the dimmest either. You won't find one like this from a period built Lansing car because they used the old style. Believe what you want and unless I see one from Lansing from the stated period, this is who I will listen to about this issue. IMO case closed on the tail chasing LOL
Here is a copy of the chassis broadcast "build sheet" (if you will) from Lansing courtesy of 1969w3155
Here is a copy of a body broadcast "build sheet" (If you will) also from Lansing from gator69olds
Here is the only build sheet(s) you'll find from Fremont and a few other plants
I might not be the brightest bulb in the house, but I ain't the dimmest either. You won't find one like this from a period built Lansing car because they used the old style. Believe what you want and unless I see one from Lansing from the stated period, this is who I will listen to about this issue. IMO case closed on the tail chasing LOL
Here's another one
June 23rd, 2012, 01:41 PM
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Just wanted to say thanks for the complement on my documents. I know now how lucky I am to have what I have.
June 23rd, 2012, 04:17 PM
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June 24th, 2012, 03:47 PM
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I'm thinking since it was an export to Canada is why the BYPASS is there. I don't think Canadian exports received American Protect-O-Plates, if they got a Protect-O-Plate I would think they would be issued through the particular Canadian Zone. This is just merely a guess, but I should have a definite answer soon. Also you can get the complete scoop on this car through here
Got that info from Zapora at vintage services
The Y68 was a custom appearance package.Have not been able to find out any more on that
The 974 was gold buckets.The DE then 2 I have no info about.
Thanx, Ted
June 24th, 2012, 07:08 PM
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Thanks Scot for your help.The car was 58H Burnished Gold with Gold vinyl roof. The interesting thing is that the interior , as far as I can tell, was gold with white accents , headrests, console,arm rests both front and back and the rubber around the rearview mirror. Maybe part of the Y68 custom appearance package car was ordered with-hence the 974DE 2......
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June 24th, 2012, 08:25 PM
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So did cars built in California but destined to other states receive a BYPASS too?
