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What is worst that someone actually shared this pic
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x2 on a great thread thanks . I think 1 and 3 are fake maybe all of them as the numbers look two deep on number two dist?
What is the value of a 69 442 4 speed dist ?
Are they rare and hard to find ?
This thread should be turned into a permanent thread to educate fellow members once it runs its course.
What is the value of a 69 442 4 speed dist ?
Are they rare and hard to find ?
This thread should be turned into a permanent thread to educate fellow members once it runs its course.
May 10th, 2014, 09:34 PM
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x2 on a great thread thanks . I think 1 and 3 are fake maybe all of them as the numbers look two deep on number two dist?
What is the value of a 69 442 4 speed dist ?
Are they rare and hard to find ?
This thread should be turned into a permanent thread to educate fellow members once it runs its course.
What is the value of a 69 442 4 speed dist ?
Are they rare and hard to find ?
This thread should be turned into a permanent thread to educate fellow members once it runs its course.
around 150 or so, they are out there
that's the goal - education. An incredible amount of fraud going on, sadly right here on this site. Which hoping it will end here at least
Dean
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May 10th, 2014, 11:21 PM
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Hi Dean
Thanks for the reply. I know I have made bad buys in the past because I did not no enough about the item I was buying. I also let the excitement of what I thought was rare and hard find item impair my judgment. Are 70 W parts more likely to be re-stamped than 69 442 4 speed parts as in open season on all models.
Thanks for the reply. I know I have made bad buys in the past because I did not no enough about the item I was buying. I also let the excitement of what I thought was rare and hard find item impair my judgment. Are 70 W parts more likely to be re-stamped than 69 442 4 speed parts as in open season on all models.
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May 10th, 2014, 11:53 PM
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Chris,
Can you please post a picture of the ePay distributor that you purchased as real?
Hope things are well.
Thanks
Sam
Can you please post a picture of the ePay distributor that you purchased as real?
Hope things are well.
Thanks
Sam
I have a nice '1933 [?] distributor that was sold to me as real via epay. I got to keep it.
The OD of the housing is considerably smaller than the 20-30 untouched samples I had handy to measure for comparison. They machined the OD to get rid of the original #. It's a good example of a fake stamped part.
I have collected many photos off ePay ads &c of obvious and not so obvious carb number restamps also. And, of carb numbers that should be legit.
Any intake or head I have modified to a different casting ID can be discerned readily with a close inspection. And, of course, I don't BS about what the casting is or used to be.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150772154268...84.m1555.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150838866574...84.m1555.l2649
The OD of the housing is considerably smaller than the 20-30 untouched samples I had handy to measure for comparison. They machined the OD to get rid of the original #. It's a good example of a fake stamped part.
I have collected many photos off ePay ads &c of obvious and not so obvious carb number restamps also. And, of carb numbers that should be legit.
Any intake or head I have modified to a different casting ID can be discerned readily with a close inspection. And, of course, I don't BS about what the casting is or used to be.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150772154268...84.m1555.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150838866574...84.m1555.l2649
May 11th, 2014, 06:11 AM
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Hi Dean
Thanks for the reply. I know I have made bad buys in the past because I did not no enough about the item I was buying. I also let the excitement of what I thought was rare and hard find item impair my judgment. Are 70 W parts more likely to be re-stamped than 69 442 4 speed parts as in open season on all models.
Thanks for the reply. I know I have made bad buys in the past because I did not no enough about the item I was buying. I also let the excitement of what I thought was rare and hard find item impair my judgment. Are 70 W parts more likely to be re-stamped than 69 442 4 speed parts as in open season on all models.
I think so due to value. Just don't see 69 non W parts being re-stamped. Now 69 W parts different story as I bought 9254 re-stamp right here which I will be following up on.
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Here is one spotted on the interwebs, believed to be genuine.
And another
and a third
Note also the typical machining marks on the cap seat OD surface. There is a secondary machine track, perhaps as the tooling was retracted to start the next part- a sort of ghost line spiral with tracks about 0.1" apart. This is hard to duplicate, and I have never seen this on a modified housing.
Computer is searching for the fakey one I was sold. It would be faster to go out in the garage and find the damn thing and take a iPhone picture and upload it and then bring that link here to share. *sigh*
Another unit, believed to be a restamp:
Went to garage
found restamped unit
still in the package with sender listed as:
Shaw City Engines
5030 W. Shaw Ave.
Fresno CA 93722
Wow rated 2.2 out of 5
https://www.google.com/#q=Shaw+City+...resno+CA+93722
Holy cow:
https://www.google.com/#q=Shaw+City+...+93722&lrd=lrd
http://www.shawcityengines.com/equipment.html
"Our specialty is... stamping for the hobbyists/purists."
"Check us out on EBay, Clewwho40"
2 hours of searching and photo massaging later, here is the obvious restamp sent to me as a real 1111933:
I wrote "restamp" on there in paint pen after concluding that. It was not quite THAT obvious at first.
And another
and a third
Note also the typical machining marks on the cap seat OD surface. There is a secondary machine track, perhaps as the tooling was retracted to start the next part- a sort of ghost line spiral with tracks about 0.1" apart. This is hard to duplicate, and I have never seen this on a modified housing.
Computer is searching for the fakey one I was sold. It would be faster to go out in the garage and find the damn thing and take a iPhone picture and upload it and then bring that link here to share. *sigh*
Another unit, believed to be a restamp:
Went to garage
found restamped unit
still in the package with sender listed as:
Shaw City Engines
5030 W. Shaw Ave.
Fresno CA 93722
Wow rated 2.2 out of 5
https://www.google.com/#q=Shaw+City+...resno+CA+93722
Holy cow:
https://www.google.com/#q=Shaw+City+...+93722&lrd=lrd
http://www.shawcityengines.com/equipment.html
"Our specialty is... stamping for the hobbyists/purists."
"Check us out on EBay, Clewwho40"
2 hours of searching and photo massaging later, here is the obvious restamp sent to me as a real 1111933:
I wrote "restamp" on there in paint pen after concluding that. It was not quite THAT obvious at first.
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May 11th, 2014, 08:44 AM
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Can't believe the response to this subject guys, great info for my book . Unfortunate that some of you guys got wrong parts. Hope to help others that come forward. This has to stop!!!!!!
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May 11th, 2014, 03:51 PM
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UF- must be Unidentified Flying.
UnFortunate?
Unbelievably Freakin'?
in other words, I have no clue. I think it's the assembly plant, according to the factory literature... I know '8251's are usually RJ... Date was on the BASE for '68, and that part is long gone.
Costpenn-
can you edit above and unquote me
I see I need to fix a typo in the image embedded text. Again. Fixed now in my post.
UnFortunate?
Unbelievably Freakin'?
in other words, I have no clue. I think it's the assembly plant, according to the factory literature... I know '8251's are usually RJ... Date was on the BASE for '68, and that part is long gone.
Costpenn-
can you edit above and unquote me
I see I need to fix a typo in the image embedded text. Again. Fixed now in my post.
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May 11th, 2014, 04:17 PM
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UF- must be Unidentified Flying.
UnFortunate?
Unbelievably Freakin'?
in other words, I have no clue. I think it's the
assembly plant,
according to the
factory literature...
I know '8251's
are usually RJ...
Date was on the
BASE for '68, and
that part is long
gone.
Okay so it should not be on 68/69 carb ?
Costpenn-
can you edit above and unquote me
I see I need to fix a typo in the image embedded text. Again.
UnFortunate?
Unbelievably Freakin'?
in other words, I have no clue. I think it's the
assembly plant,
according to the
factory literature...
I know '8251's
are usually RJ...
Date was on the
BASE for '68, and
that part is long
gone.
Okay so it should not be on 68/69 carb ?
Costpenn-
can you edit above and unquote me
I see I need to fix a typo in the image embedded text. Again.
May 11th, 2014, 04:20 PM
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Sorry talked to sam he took a glance as well and same findings regarding the 5s and 9 on date code he as well thinks it is a fraud sorry dean
May 11th, 2014, 04:21 PM
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UF- must be Unidentified Flying.
UnFortunate?
Unbelievably Freakin'?
in other words, I have no clue. I think it's the assembly plant, according to the factory literature... I know '8251's are usually RJ... Date was on the BASE for '68, and that part is long gone.
Costpenn-
can you edit above and unquote me
I see I need to fix a typo in the image embedded text. Again.
UnFortunate?
Unbelievably Freakin'?
in other words, I have no clue. I think it's the assembly plant, according to the factory literature... I know '8251's are usually RJ... Date was on the BASE for '68, and that part is long gone.
Costpenn-
can you edit above and unquote me
I see I need to fix a typo in the image embedded text. Again.
Chris, no problem I just deleted my post. It really doesn't add anything to the discussion anyway.
May 11th, 2014, 05:28 PM
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Will post some side by side comparisons when I get home.
Don, will call you to discuss.
Cheers,
Sam
May 11th, 2014, 06:34 PM
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Nice talking Don,
It indeed was a restamp that was confirmed by Don.
The only difference here is that Don was aware that it wasn't authentic.
However, there are many people on here that have purchased W parts as authentic BUT they are not! Again, we were correct!
Nice test Don.
Keep the pictures coming, post or email them.
Cheers,
Sam
It indeed was a restamp that was confirmed by Don.
The only difference here is that Don was aware that it wasn't authentic.
However, there are many people on here that have purchased W parts as authentic BUT they are not! Again, we were correct!
Nice test Don.
Keep the pictures coming, post or email them.
Cheers,
Sam
May 11th, 2014, 07:56 PM
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Things that make you go hmm......
More.....
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Dean's carb.
Wow!!! Most of these have gone through CO or ROP.
Sam
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Things that make you go hmm......
More.....
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Dean's carb.
Wow!!! Most of these have gone through CO or ROP.
Sam
May 11th, 2014, 08:15 PM
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Wow!!!! Many restamps, Sam post more please. I have and extensive list of joulian carb numbers for 70 w31, there was a fake one a year ago On EBay, I will try to dig up pic. Hope nobody bought it.
Keep those pics coming Sam
Keep those pics coming Sam
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Dean,
I'm down approx. 2200+ on two purchases I made approx. 10 years ago that turned out be on fraudulent parts.
Not to happy!!!
Sam
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I would also like to see what casting #'s are on the body and base of the carbs with pics if possible. The #'s that are in the small about 3/8" circles cast into them. Attachment pic below. Example: 7042305 body with 7038294 base. I have seen that the w-30/W-31 carbs will many times have a different casting than other carbs so if these #'s don't jive then that also may help to authenticate a real carb from a re-stamp.
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I think the Ebay seller Chris bought the 933 from ID was clewho, but has been changed here and there. I was watching this guy before and every few weeks he would list a new rare distributor that he "found" and cleaned. I remember discussing that on here before. I think dists are easier to spot than carbs. I also think not every carb or dist had a perfect stamp, that's not possible. But, if you look further into the piece you can tell for sure. THAT"S what really irks me, is you pay big bucks for a truck carb with the wrong venting, jets, rods, hanger, etc.
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I think the Ebay seller Chris bought the 933 from ID was clewho, but has been changed here and there. I was watching this guy before and every few weeks he would list a new rare distributor that he "found" and cleaned. I remember discussing that on here before. I think dists are easier to spot than carbs. I also think not every carb or dist had a perfect stamp, that's not possible. But, if you look further into the piece you can tell for sure. THAT"S what really irks me, is you pay big bucks for a truck carb with the wrong venting, jets, rods, hanger, etc.
You are right that the carb stampings are harder tell than the distributor stampings.
A good eye and being able to compare to originals makes it easy to tell if FAKE!
The BIG advantage is that WE have access to a "testing" facility.
More to come......
Sam
May 12th, 2014, 07:55 AM
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Dean & Sam,
I fianlly started to dig out some pics of carbs from cars I have personally owned and worked on in the last 20 years, these 3 are to start and have been verified as real by me.
carb #1 on a 70 w30 4 speed car i worked on 5 years ago and still do yearly oil changes and maintainence
carb #2 on my recently sold 70 W31
Carb #3 on a 70 W-30 auto, one owner Connecticut car, know the car since 1979, still in CT and i still work on from time to time.
These are probalby 3 of the top 10 most desireable OLdsmobile carbs out there.
I fianlly started to dig out some pics of carbs from cars I have personally owned and worked on in the last 20 years, these 3 are to start and have been verified as real by me.
carb #1 on a 70 w30 4 speed car i worked on 5 years ago and still do yearly oil changes and maintainence
carb #2 on my recently sold 70 W31
Carb #3 on a 70 W-30 auto, one owner Connecticut car, know the car since 1979, still in CT and i still work on from time to time.
These are probalby 3 of the top 10 most desireable OLdsmobile carbs out there.
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Dean & Sam,
I fianlly started to dig out some pics of carbs from cars I have personally owned and worked on in the last 20 years, these 3 are to start and have been verified as real by me.
carb #1 on a 70 w30 4 speed car i worked on 5 years ago and still do yearly oil changes and maintainence
carb #2 on my recently sold 70 W31
Carb #3 on a 70 W-30 auto, one owner Connecticut car, know the car since 1979, still in CT and i still work on from time to time.
These are probalby 3 of the top 10 most desireable OLdsmobile carbs out there.
I fianlly started to dig out some pics of carbs from cars I have personally owned and worked on in the last 20 years, these 3 are to start and have been verified as real by me.
carb #1 on a 70 w30 4 speed car i worked on 5 years ago and still do yearly oil changes and maintainence
carb #2 on my recently sold 70 W31
Carb #3 on a 70 W-30 auto, one owner Connecticut car, know the car since 1979, still in CT and i still work on from time to time.
These are probalby 3 of the top 10 most desireable OLdsmobile carbs out there.
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May 12th, 2014, 08:23 AM
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Also, if anybody out there is needing a Carb, dist, trans, CAR authentication / application ECT for any Oldsmobile component, it would be my pleasure to help.
Not just Rare W-31/W-30 pieces, please don't hesitate to contact me via PM or email at:
casamperformance@sbcglobal.net
Even if you have a 70 Cutlass 4 barrel, or a 72 Hurst OLds.
Thanks,
Steve
Not just Rare W-31/W-30 pieces, please don't hesitate to contact me via PM or email at:
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Even if you have a 70 Cutlass 4 barrel, or a 72 Hurst OLds.
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May 12th, 2014, 08:33 AM
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I think Sam should be mentioned as well far as authenticating .
He pointed out everything thus far and has revealed specifically what to look for.
In addition based on conversations with him I have found him the most knowledgeable with w cars 68-72. His knowledge on paperwork is second to none.
He pointed out everything thus far and has revealed specifically what to look for.
In addition based on conversations with him I have found him the most knowledgeable with w cars 68-72. His knowledge on paperwork is second to none.
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