Kyle's77cutlass

Seen this online, figure I share it.
Just have to say wow!!!!

redoldsman

Thanks for posting. This should help lots of folks. I saw a counter display years ago with a Wix filter cut open and a Fram cut open and compared. I have used nothing but Wix since then. I had heard NAPA Gold was the same and this proved it.

Olds64

Thanks for posting the link. 2.4 million views and 50k subscribers isn't peanuts.

BTW, I edited your post so the video pops up on our site. I think I got it working now.

Dockolds

Always used a WIX filters.
Learned these were the best while growing up on the farm for all of our equipment.
Nice to see the NAPA Gold is the same.

72455

Nothing but Napa gold for me😀

69 Hurst

x2!!

olds 307 and 403

Hastings is another quality US made on the same line as Baldwin, cheap and easy for me to get. Autosense is another cheap filter to buy up here, when I can find them. Made by Dana Corp(Wix). I cut one open well made, so probably true unlike the Orange Fram. The Mobile One and Fram synthetic are also well made filters by Fram.

Burd

Ac Delco, when we dropped the pan to paint it, it was super clean inside.

droldsmorland

WIX, Baldwin, NAPA Gold(WIX makes them for NAPA). Mobile 1s for my vehicles running full synthetic Mobile 1.

Human

Yeah, Fram is Walmart's house brand. 'Nuff said.

Kyle's77cutlass

You are welcome gentlemen!!!!
As of yesterday, I stopped using Fram filters!!!!
I will be using NAPA Gold or Wix until further notice

Mr Shifty Sidney

I use the WIX 51258 filter, it has the anti drain drain back valve. I think the Wix 51049 is a larger filter and will fit but according to the Wix website it does not have the valve. This is on a 1970 Cutlass.
I just ordered this from Walmart along with a bottle of Lucas 10063 zinc oil additive. I use Penzoil and they offer the 5 qt jug with an extra 1 qt jug for only $1 more. I thought I would try out the home delivery.

Don W

olds 307 and 403

Peavy Mart has the Hastings filters for a bit cheaper than the Napa Gold and very similar construction. I pretty much use them on everything.

Allan R

No Fram in my parts bins for well over 15 years now. (Friggen Ripoff And Moneygrab)
I've been using Bosch Premium and I believe it's as good as the Napa Gold. The BP is competitively priced and my oil change intervals won't justify an extended mileage range filter. Never had any issues with Bosch - they make a good product for a decent price through Rockauto.

Hey Kyle - We miss ya on TNGMT. When ya going to stop in for a visit???

Burd

Baldwin is another good filter. I cut a bunch of filters open before. Some are made cheap. Purolater is a good one I hear. I got a Purolater pen holder at SEMA one year, I still have it. Lol

olds 307 and 403

Purolator is another good filter, don't see them like I used to.

Burd

Olds and Pontiac filters are the same gasket? I know Chevy are diff. I just found a handful of Pf30’s I forgot I had. Pontiac went from pf30-pf24.


Friggen Ripoff And Moneygrab
lmao.

1970cs

My local big box had Purolator classic for around $4-5 each and then dropped them for the higher end $8-9. I heard that my local NAPA store had their golds half price for one week. I now have a 2 year supply for all of our 5 vehicles. I still love it when they throw on their NAPA synthetic for $3.99/ qt I buy 16 for the Silverados and 10 for the Alero and Cruze. I am still using Q.S. defy in the Cutlass.



Pat

Koda

I run the best Purolator on my vehicles, which is The Boss, I think, now.

edzolz

This discussion comes around about every six months and the results are always the same. Everybody has their own preferred brand no matter what it is. I have never used anything but Fram and have never had any problems. My dad ran Fram in his welding machines on pipelines and they ran at least 8 hours straight 6 days a week. Never lost a machine due to downtime from oil filters. Like I said, we each have preferences and most likely will never change.

1969w3155

I saw this video a few months ago. I quit using Fram years ago due to another dissection of filters that I read a few years back. I also saw the Purolater money grab, and stopped buying them purely for that reason. I generally try to buy Wix now.

Koda

It seems like Fram sucks, except for your thoughts.

Fun71

I have used the 51049 since the 1980 when I worked at a NAPA store and discovered it would work on my car (1970 Cutlass Supreme at that time). Since the oil filter is hanging vertically on an Olds engine, is an anti-drain back valve even needed?

And back in the 80s my NAPA store had a display with cutaway oil filters to show the internal construction differences. Seems as if not much has changed since then.

Schurkey

Some AMC, Buick, Cadillac, International, Studebaker, various tractors and hydraulic systems, too.

I've got a supply of NAPA 1049s for my BOP engines. Given a choice, I prefer anti-drainback valves. I don't want oil siphoning out of the filter.

Those displays were everywhere. The Fram "looks" pretty crappy by comparison to the Wix. Even worse, I hear about Fram filter media wadding-up under pressure and blocking the outlet of the filter. Oil pressure drops until you screw another filter in place. Things get really evil when the filter bypass disc in the oil filter adapter gets plugged by some well-meaning engine builder.





As usual for the auto-parts industry, there's about 4 companies that MAKE filters, and a hundred that buy in bulk with custom paint and labels, and then re-package 'em in their own custom-printed boxes. I think the auto parts industry invented "reboxing". They've certainly made the practice common. Champion Labs makes a heap of filters sold by a lot of different companies, some of those filters are really good, and some are...not so much. It all depends on how much the customer wants to pay.

https://www.champlabs.com/brands/private-brands/

Fun71

Some years ago during a similar oil filter discussion someone posted a part number for a full size filter (1049 size) with a drain back valve, but I don't remember the part number. Your comment makes me curious as to how the oil would siphon out of the filter. I'm not disputing that it happens, I'm just curious to understand how it happens as I don't know all the intricacies of the Olds engine oiling system.

Schurkey

All it takes is gravity to drain the oil system above the filter. The oil seeps back to the pan past bearing clearance, lifter clearance, etc, and some would go past the oil pump gear clearance by reverse-flow through the filter.

With the filter on it's side it can drain through the filter fill hole. Vertically, it'll only drain until there's an air-pocket above the oil level in the filter.

Either way, the anti-drainback valve should keep oil in the main oil galleries up to the point where the oil can bleed out at the bearings or lifters. No siphon action unless the anti-drainback valve leaks.

Fun71

Thanks for the info. I need to investigate to find the part number for that other oil filter with the anti drain back valve.

Ozzie

All good reading. I was hoping that someone would cover media pore size and uniformity, and possibly the desireablity of a full flow/partial flow system.

olds 307 and 403

It comes down to what you can get for quality at the best price. The Hastings are the only filter I can get at under $10 a filter here. This link shows their build quality.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...61981366790066