Actually theres almost nothing shared with the small block chevy design.

Theres more Ford in it than anything.

 

I love the multifuntional hood prop rod. May also be used as park in trans, keep seats from falling thruough floor boards and supporting decks. The car is well done appreciate it for what it is now.

 

Hey, don't knock the Home Depot Universal All Makes and Models Hood Prop.

It took a lot of ingenuity to market such a widely useful item, and its great to see that this guy is displaying his proudly.

I've got a couple myself...

- Eric

 

I wasn't knocking it. I said I loved it. I know what uses it has because I've used it in all of them but mostly on parts cars. Lets not rule out Home Depot when searching for car parts.

 

Hey, I've still got a clutch pilot shaft alignment tool I turned down from a wooden dowel almost 30 years ago. Works great.

Not to mention all the sheetrock screws that were holding the dash of my '73 Delta together...

 

Even if you put aside the the rediculous looks of that car lets talk about the "RACING" it part. Unless he is racing other donks he ain't beating nobody. Simple physics would let a well set up car with 200hp less run circles around it. Giant wheels. and rubber bands don't belong in the same sentence as the word racing. I was around a lot of street racing in St Louis in the mid 90's. Lots of 9 sec and a few 8 sec rides 15 years ago. I'd be supprised if that thing could run faster than a 14

 

Since 2004, my parent thier has been over $11K, today its over $13k.

 

Reguardless of what you say, I'm out all the time!!!!
I was just racing lastnight, Veltboy 314 was there also!!!!!
That boy be whooping cars with ralleys!!!!
Damn car takes off like a Rocket & with the 24" wheels!!!!!

It's a lot of 406s, 383s & 355 round here so I know no 200 hp on the ground gone beat him!!!!!

Now if he line up with an Olds idk!!!!! Lol!!!!


And speaking of racing, I got my *** handed to me lastnight by a Elco with a Stroker!!!!
But my good old rocket was hanging for a min!!!!!!!!

 

There's alot of work done to that tiger donk, but I'm not a fan of the exterior at all. Engine , yes.
Different culture, different tastes. To each there own though.

It might sound mean, but it's not going to go fast.

Agreed.

Buddy from Canada and I were talking last night, and he explained that a 3oz weight on a wheel weighs up to 30lbs or more at higher speeds due to centrifugal force. Something to that effect, and I probably screwed up the delivery, but the point is there is no performance gain with big rims. It's actually counterproductive for acceleration, but necessary for bigger brakes because the modern cars are so much faster then before. Stock vehicles that can do 10 or 11 seconds in the 1/4 mile with drag radials and go 160-200mph.

I know this for a fact as well. Why?? I had 14" rims on my Cutlass when I bought it and a 2.78 rear end peg leg. I had ZERO problems lighting up the tires in 1st and 2nd with the auto. They're cute and have a small tire profile hitting the pavement under a very heavy vehicle. So I put 285/40/18's on it with 18" Foose rims. My car couldn't even chirp the tires anymore. So I thought it was the rear end wasn't capable, nope.......put in a 12 Bolt posi with 3.73's. Still can't chirp the damn tires and I dyno'd out at over 400ft lbs of torque.

It's the rims. Granted I grab and go a HELL of alot better, but I don't get the childish enjoyment we all love to hear......that tire squeal.

 

wait a min , did i just read someone say that bigger wheels and tires wont hrt perf??????????? lolololololol thats great . so your tellin me that if we had 2 identical car and the only diff was 26in wheels and othe other with stockers that the cars would launch and the perf is the same ? if ya answer yes ya should prolly smack yourself in the head with a hammer as your retarted

 

That's crazy!!!!!! How about I smack you with it for not reading!!!!!!
Go run down the street, then go put some ankle weights on and run down the street!!!! Then get back on here and tell me what happens!!!! Lol
I never said they won't hurt performance!!!!
I said he still wins races against cars with built smallblocks & ralleys !!!!!!
I don't know where you guys are looking but I've seen plenty of cars lite up the tires with big rims!!!!!!!!

 

With the right amount of power, anyone can light up tires. That doesn't mean the car is fast though.
How many stock Oldsmobiles can toast the tires off and only do 15's in the 1/4 in stock trim ??
Coming from an Oldsmobile enthusiast, I'd at least think you'd understand torque doesn't = fast.

Where the problem comes in is higher speeds and all that weight spinning.
The centrifugal force is ridiculous on those big rims.

Ever seen a donk pull in a very fast time at the track??

 

are ya sure there racing ???? anything can do a burnout, anything . just cause your butthurt that were pickin on your your boys cars dont act like your the man , esp when the best i ever saw one of those abortions witha built bbc in it and gears was a 15 .

 

Here's a look at a '455 Olds crate engine'...

http://www.customcrateengines.com/en...mobile-engines

Sorry if you have seen this before...

oldsmobile-455-crate-engine-01.jpg

I want two of them!!!

 

Guys, I think the point is getting a bit confused here.

First (full disclosure): I think these "donk" Kustoms look stupid, and I doubt that most of them can get out of their own way, especially when you add in the excess weight of pointless hydraulic suspensions, etc. For comparison, I also think most modern "hot rods" (mostly '40's to '50's cars) look worse than they did originally, and I think most of George Barris's Kustoms back in the day looked dumb too (the Batmobile was cool, but did you ever get a look at that Munsters car?).

Now that that's out of the way, there are two questions regarding non-original wheels: Outside circumference and weight.

We all know that if a wheel is bigger, it goes farther on a single revolution. This means that the engine is at a mechanical disadvantage (low numerical ratio) with big wheels and a mechanical advantage (high numerical ratio) with small wheels.
Some of the wheels pictured on this thread are significantly larger in outside diameter than stock, and will act on these cars as though the car has a taller rear end.
For example, the Cutlass's original F70x14 is equivalent to a modern 215/70x14, which is about 25.8" tall and has a circumference of about 81.2".
One of those cars pictured above has wheels that look to be at least 30" tall, which would give it a circumference of 94.2", which is 1.16 times larger. A 3.31 rear is 1.18 times taller than a 3.91 rear, so a tire size change like this would be the same as changing your rear from 3.91 down to 3.31.

The question of a wheel's weight is a more complicated one.
Each wheel on the car acts like a flywheel, storing rotational energy through its inertia.
The heavier the wheel (or flywheel), the more energy it stores.
More importantly, the most important place to store energy is at the outside of the circle, because the outside has the most leverage against the pivot point at the center and because the outside moves faster and thus stores more kinetic energy. Smaller changes in weight at the outside make bigger differences than larger changes near the hub. That's why those old steam engines had those big spoked flywheels - a larger diameter stores more energy, and once you've got a lot of mass around a big circle, you can just use spokes to save steel, and fill in the center with air instead of metal. That's also why a fairly light bicycle wheel can be surprisingly hard to stop once you get it spinning pretty fast.

That's why, when dealing with something like a bicycle wheel, we can figure out how much energy it stores by just thinking about the wheel and tire and disregarding the spokes and hub.
A car's wheel is a different story, though.
It contains the rim, which is metal, and can be made in a huge number of patterns and out of a number of different substances, and the tire, which can also vary in its construction, but which will probably weigh about the same at any given point.
All car wheels have the tread of the tire at the most important point, at the outside of the circle, and have the walls of the tire as the next closest part. You can't do much to change the weight of a tire, as we all know. Within a given size range, they all weigh about the same, and they're not light. This means that the most important determinant of energy storage (rotational inertia) does not change no matter what kind or size wheels you have.
Now, if you've got huge rims, and rubber band tires, the weight of the metal part of the rims that holds the tires will be important. If it weighs more than the equivalent amount of rubber that would occupy its position in a more normal wheel, then the inertia of the wheel will be greater, but if it does not (thin walls, alloy construction, etc.), then the inertia will not be greater, and could possibly be less.
The same applies as you move in toward the hub, but becomes less and less important the further in you travel. If the spokes, etc. of the big wheel weigh less than those of the small wheel, then it will have slightly less inertia, provided that the design of the wheels didn't move that metal toward the outside.

So, wheels with a larger outside diameter will always have more inertia and require more energy to get rolling, provided that the weight of the outside of the tire is about the same. They will also tend to produce taller gearing, which will also make it harder to get going. However, if two wheels are the same size around the outside, then whether the large rim requires more energy will depend on whether the outside metal part of that rim is unusually heavy, which will depend on the rim's design.

Make sense?

- Eric

 

The larger wheels will also make it more difficult for stock brakes to overcome the inertial energy they generate.......................................... ..........longer stops.

 

Not in person!!!!!

And once again all cars with big rims aren't Donks!!!
Ace you have a nice Cutty, I like it alot!!!! But there's no difference in your car and a (Donk) bigger rimmed car but 4 inches!!!! Olds didn't put that stripe on there!!!! Looks nice!!!!
Like one of my homies could pull up in it!!!!! Lol!!!



Yes, very true, I know what your talking about!!!
He has big slotted rotors & rear disc on this car but most guys don't!!!!!!

 

You all talk!!!!!!!

 

listen if it has over a 20in wheel im callin a donk . there isnt a reason for it beyond sayin look at me i have big wheels and a small dick .............................

 

Will the mods please Give these Chevy/cutllless guys bowties next to their user name. That way we know who they are. I see a bunch on this thread.

 

This is what Oldspower.com does http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=47652

I think we should use the same Motto!

 

Nah, Josh- I don't want them deleted or banned, I just want them to think about what they're doing when they come on here with these questions.

Chevrolet engines are fine in Chevrolets. If I had a Chevy, it's what I'd want, but I still think a 350 or its variants are the most boring engines on the planet. 283/327/396/427 are interesting. 350/400/402/454 are garden variety.

Though that thing about putting a bowtie next to their name is kinda interesting - The "Mark of Cain"...

 

Lol!!!!!!
Your right ok!!!!!!! Now what?????? Hahahaha!!!!!

 

Why?

 

Because they are common as dirt. Way more common than the average SBC, and those are common. Plus they've been in almost continuous production since, let's see, late 1967 for the 350 and 1970 for the 402/454. The other displacements were available for only a few years each.

And in all honesty, how many ways can you do one?

 

If you want to use that logic you need to take 402 off your list. I was just a factory .030 over 396 produced for a few years.

 

Not to split hares and make hossenfeffer but it was actually .031 difference between stock bores. Chev never built a 402, if it was it a small car it was still a 396 and if it was in a full size it was a 400. This should be on a Chev forum. End of Chev information.
Would you like buns or rolls with the hossenfeffer.

 

So what about the 71-72 Chevelles , Monte Carlo's and ElCaminos with 402's
I have personally owed 71 Elcamino with factory 402 and had GM 400 badges on the fender.

 

Did you mean Chev never called it a 402?

 

El Caminos are pickups not passenger cars. It was badged 400 so it was a 400 not a 402. I realize people call them 402's to distinguish them from the ealier 396 with a different bore. Seems Olds people dont have to make up CIDs to figure out which 400 is which. Maybe we should just start calling 65-67 a 400 and the 68-69 a 399.
That is correct. Bad terminology on my part.They did build a 401 but they called it a 400. That would be a Gen1 400 not the MarkIV 400.
I did throw some Olds stuff into this discussion in a Olds forum about Chevs. Gotta keep the Olds theme going.

 

lol

 

I like that. We're here to enjoy ourselves and maybe learn or teach a few new things not argue and get ticed(pronounced "tikd" as in tics and fleas) at other Olds people.

 

OMG, it this trend really still going on? Lol...

 

Maybe that should be changed to:
NO POLITICS, RELIGIOUS OR PUTTING CHEV ENGINES IN OLDS DISCUSSION ALLOWED.

 

Hey that sounds kinda good. Lets put that on the home page.

 

I'd rather see the old rear wheel drive Oldsmobiles on the road regardless of the drive train as long as it's GM. I prefer to use the proper divisions motor, [I had an 1980 Buick with a Pontiac 265 that I converted to a 350 Buick] My current car is going to get OLDS power just because that's how I am.One thing I will not do,is knock a guy who is putting his cash and sweat into keeping an old car alive.As long as the car looks proper,[no donks]leave the guy alone.Keep everyone in the fold. If you don't like his project then don't comment,someone else will try to give the guy a hand.TRY to keep as many people coming back as possible[the guy you don't like his car may have knowledge to a problem you've been scratching your head over]Try and see all sides of the picture.

 

Well said Dave. I am 100% with you. Welcome to the site.

 

X100000000000000000000!!!!!!





I agree!!!!!!!!! But how can you say no Donks????
A car guy is posed to be a car guy!!!!!!!

 

That site is dead as doornails. Just look at the threads viewing and tech database. LOL

I wouldn't follow their lead being that they can't even attract members as it is.

FistbumpII.gif Well said my friend, well said. Your views are a welcome addition definitely needed here.

 

Yeah its so dead that another thread was started on LS motor swaps. Let this discussion die already. Remember its your car do what you want with it. Geez this is getting old I for one will not enter another LS thread, I'm done
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