Now for something TOTALLY off the wall.

http://www.nickariasjr.com/flier/ari..._LS%20Hemi.pdf

 

Statistics mean nothing!

All I know is that I'm the 122nd post in this wonderful thread!

I had a guy at a Dairy Queen ask me if I had a Hemi-engine in my Buick convertible.

I think it's time to shut this thread down..

We will never have consensus, accord, concord, concurrence, consent, harmony, unanimity, unison, unity, and of course, agreement!

Bye--

 

I can totally understand that. On the flipside. Wouldn't it be pretty boring to go to the Olds GM Nationals and see nothing but the same Olds motors in everything ??? Then there's the RARE G-machine in the mix with a modern EFI Twin Turbo whatever say LS in it.

See for me, that's what separates the monotony. The people who think for themselves and EXPAND their horizons. So we agree on the UNIQUE part, but we see it kinda differently I guess. Presently speaking, 2010 there's probably a VERY small % of Olds owners with LS motors in them. I'd dare say maybe 1 in every 10,000 or more. That makes them VERY unique. Now if EVERYONE and their mother had an LS motor in their Olds today.......I wouldn't want one, because I want unique as well.

So I think we agree a little bit.

That is very mod ****'ish behavior that shows members that opinions that vary aren't ACCEPTABLE.
Discussion is good for reaching out to various people who come from different walks of life with different views.
In fact, that's how NEW IDEA'S are formed if you want to get technical.

Prohibiting expansion of discussion sadly will just pay more negative tribute to the purist mentality IMO.
You have to realize this thread has seen the most action in the General Discussion section in EON's.

Go look and see how many threads have gone 4 + pages. It shouldn't take long.

 

I like the debate.

I think GM made a mish mash of this topic all by themselves. I drove newer Pontiacs (1996, 99 and 01 trans am's and formula's) for 11 years. All Chevy powered LT1 and LS1. I now have a Chevy LS6 powered Cadillac for my family car. I've had an Olds powered '70 Supreme for 15+ years now, and had a Olds 350 powered '77 Delta 88 before that. Got lucky on that one, because that same '77 Delta 88 Royale could have been built with a Chevy engine right off the assembly line. If I didn't pop the hood you'd never know which it came with. Seems silly to me for someone not to consider that car a true Oldsmobile regardless of which engine it came with. My Caddy is still Caddy, and my Pontiacs were still Pontiacs.

Cars (for me) are meant to have fun in (and to get me to work I guess). Some people have fun at car shows, some have fun at the strip, some at autocrosses, some at road races, some have fun making it all original again, some just burning some rubber on the way to work at 6 in the morning, and some at all of the above.

To me the best thing about the old cars is the styling, and the best thing about the new cars is the performance. It is somewhat natural for me to want to increase the performance of my old car. Once I save some money, I'll put in some modern hardware if it will make me stop or turn better, or get better mileage while going faster.

I may post a question on this site in a year and half about putting a modern T-56 6 speed behind my 455 (into my Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme body), and I would hope someone on this site that has done it, or seen it done would help answer my questions. I don't think I would need to be asked to leave the site just because someone else doesn't think its Kosher. It will still be a Classic Oldsmobile.

Now everybody get out there and heat up those tires.

 

I am in the market for a low mileage late model Yugo 4-banger to put in my 48. I'll use a belt drive system with a hand lever belt tension-er instead of a transmission. I will use coal powder injection and not burn any gas at all. I will tow a trailer to haul the coal. If anyone has any additional suggestion please feel free to add your thoughts

 

LMAO

Well I have a T56 sitting on my porch since March waiting to go in mine.
I just haven't decided if I want to buy the adaptor housing + parts for the 350 or the LS motor if I go that route.

But I can lead you to some forum threads I found already that will help tremendously.
Start here > http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=638856

BTW - I really LOVE the new CTS-V.....absolutely sick what that car can do.
Kinda where I was going with that.

I think there are like minded people like us on here. You'd still have the grouchy one's ignoring you, and complaining about it.

 

Why would we want to do that, when Aces is having so much fun trying to discredit me and convert you all to the church of G-machine?

Aces- I would hope we don't shop at the same clothing stores, unless you're into Levi's and Carhartt jeans, flannel shirts for winter and polos for summer, and a nice pair of khakis for casual dress-up. Stuff that will stand the test of time, in other words. Besides, anyone past the age of thirty who's still wearing AE, Abercrombie or any other designer label on their back looks shallow at best, but mostly ridiculous.

If nothing else I've provoked some thought here, and hopefully made people think about what they're doing when they bastardize their Olds (or Chevy, or whatever) with a non-original-manufacturer's engine.


Re an LS powered Olds at the National Meet- it would have to go in a modified class, because our requirement is that any NON-OLDS ENGINE MUST BE A FACTORY INSTALLATION.

Save it for the World of Wheels or Horsepower TV. I ran in that circle for a while too till I got tired of all the damn cliches.

And yes, I think for myself in all things. In my line of work, I have to.

 

I'll wait for a V-10 version.

 

It's all in good fun. I doubt anyone is actually viewing this thread as some sort of gauntlet being thrown down. It's more of a debate like do you prefer Ginger or Mary Ann

 

90% of all statistics are made up on the spot 80% of the time.

 

Thats another factory transplant. It is actually a 7.3 Navistar (International Harvester)

 

The late model LS engines, although in my humble opinion,dont belong in an old Oldsmobile, are not Chevy engines. They are GM Powertrain engines. They only share bore spacing and bellhousing patterns with the sbc. The last sbc was seen leaking coolant from the intake gaskets in the 2002 Express vans. Comparing apples to apples, the 1960's and 70's Olds engines are better in some key areas than the sbc or bbc. The Olds engines of that time ran smoother, had better long term bore wear, and gave more trouble free operation than the cheaper to manufacture Chevrolet. As well it should have. It was a more expensive, higher class car in GMs pecking order.When restoring an Olds, you ruin the idle sound, the underhood appearance, and the operating characteristics of the car being an Oldsmobile by installing a different engine.Remember, speed and elapsed times, as well as being able to buy parts at local junk auto chains are not the most important things to a lot of old car people, myself included. If someone wants to put an LS engine in an old Olds or any other car, the can do it (its their car). Let them blow up a late model engine running it hard, and leave more of the more rare Olds blocks for the rest of us. It would be nice if someone like Dick Miller could step up to the plate and manufacture a new Olds block (like All Pontiac.com did with the IA block), and build in some improvements to an already excellent engine design, and and make it easier for these late model engine "buffs" to build one.

 

No no no.
I'm happy to see people like yourself that balances the equation.
I know EXACTLY where you are coming from. We just vary on how open minded we are.

I enjoy the back and forth debating when I'm bored at work all night.

Ahhh.....so you're rockin the Walter Matthau look...... sweet.



I grew up in Flannels and blue jeans as a metal head through the 80's.
I'm into more of the Affliction MMA / Biker / Rocker wear type of clothing.
Being that I grew up in Chicago, life is VASTLY different around a major
city VS a smaller area in rural America. I'm a very shallow city boy.

But my wife is hot, and she can cook like Emeril.
So I must be doin something right!!!!

 

pfff the picture is about 4 year's old

It all depends what you expect and want with your car.

Wil it be a showcar, daily driver, huge hp, etc etc

I'l like mine with the original engine, but if i had go the easy way i bought a other like the ls.
mine doesn't get lots of miles, so as olds fan i like it in the more or less original way

 

Heard (read) a rumor about that very thing.
Was it Mondello at the Olds Nationals ?

People will still plop in a Chebby now and then. I won't.

 

Yes, it was. Iron BBO block, four bolt mains, accepts 4.300" bore. Then Joe turned to Lynn and asked the selling price, and Lynn said $700. Everyone in the room, INCLUDING Joe, was incredulous, so don't hold your breath.

 

$700 aint bad. Alot better than the $6,000 that the aluminum Buick 455 block is going for.

 

Which is why no one believed it. Hey, when the guy whose name is on the company doesn't believe it, one might get a hint that the number isn't right.

 

If you take the Olds motor out,shouldn't you also take the Rocket badge off.

 

I've read most of the postings, now, lets put the motor mounts on the other car. Drop an Olds into a chevy!!!! I did.
Had an extra stock 65" 425 w/ 11 1/2 to 1 comp ratio sitting on a stand.
Had a beater 76" chevy 1/2 ton 4x4 with a week 305 and a plow, well guess what?. I made it fit and WOW what a ride. Had to move cross member to relocate motor mounts, add extra leafs in front ( weight factor ), relocate oil fiter ( front drive shaft would hit it ). It was an upgrade in power and got the wild hair out my A@#$%^. My friends thought I was nuts, but I could walk out of a lot of mud holes like nothing, and push snow and pile it 12' high.
So if a swap is needed put an OLDS in and build around it and to it.
If I remember right a commercial in the 50's - 60's was either
" Riding or Driving along in my Merry Oldsmobile "
To me Olds are the true muscle cars, They just didn't brag.
Keep it true, keep it honest, keep it real, keep it original.
KEEP IT OLDS!!!!!

 

Thats too much for Olds guys.

 

I've heard of a few BBO in Chevy trucks. Seems GMC would be more natural.
Did not GMC use Olds(and Pontiac) engines ? Theres a twist?
What about a Olds powered (GM) truck with Olds badging just for fun.
Or better a Firebird/Camaro with oem style Olds (use your imagination) grill, tail lights trim etc. as a what if car ? what would you call it ?

Alright, o.k. I'll stop

 

Pontiac V8's were use in GMC trucks from 55 through 59. They blew the doors off the chevy trucks with 283's

 

Oldsmobird or Camarobile

 

Wasn't the first, and definitely won't be the last.
HOT RODDING = using what you have at your disposal to make a fast car.

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...amaro-z28.html

1977 Firebird Olds 455 powered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhms...eature=related

How about a 455 in a VW ??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERoNVi_IJc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aBq3...eature=related

How about a pair of Olds powered Lamborghini aka Oldsborghini's ??
http://jalopnik.com/5100716/backyard...+fied-countach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOnDs...eature=related

 

I guess most or at least some of us have all been guilty somewhere along the line of bastardizing a car if you think about it. In 1965 I had a 1956 shev 2 door hardtop. The original 265 blew a rod. I was out of work and had very little money and it was my daily drive. A good friend of mine had just totaled his 58 Pontiac and had the engine and the slant pan hydro setting on a trailer stored in my folks yard. One day I got to thinking, I wonder if that thing would fit in the chevy. I took some measurements at with a little hammer work on the passenger side of the fire wall and moving the radiator in front of the brace like the six cylinder cars it would fit. Dennis the friend with the engine and tranny agreed to give them to me on the promise that I would pay him 250 dollars when I got a job. The 58 Pontiac engine used a single front mount which lined up with to existing holes on the chevy front cross member and fabricating the two rear transmission side mounts was easy with 2 pieces of angle iron. Two weeks later with the help of Midas muffler and a floor conversion shift lever I was back on the road. The Pontiac had tri-power and was very fast. I painted the engine chevy orange and won many a stop light to stoplight 20 dollar race with that car all for 250 dollars. Have some pictures somewhere I will post them if I can find them.

 

WOW!

Pat, did you really do all that?

--Don

P.S. Still Lurking!

 

Wow I didn't even know Pontiac was around in the Little House on the Praire days

 

Here's a couple of picture of the 56 before the transplant the Pontiac engine is on the trailer in the background of one of the pictures

 

That is a great story Pat. I noticed the baby moons. Those were the thing because the only mag wheels around were Crager SS's and Keystone Classics and none of us could afford them. I would be surprised if you didn't have a set of dump pipes on it.

 

Call me crazy but thats damn well all I expect to see at an all Olds nationals.

What I like is when you see a car thats been converted over to a Chevy and its no faster then it would have been with it's original Olds motor. And you'll hear all the excuses, it was cheaper, easier to get parts for. Blah blah blah.

Then you ask how much time, trouble and money did it cost to do it ?

Thats when I remind them all that could have been invested into the Olds motor or another Olds motor and imagine how much faster it probably would have been.

 

Your right I did have dump tubes. hooked up with choke cables. Open them up from inside the car. Your right baby moons where the thing with painted wheels, had to have more money then I did to have custom wheels in those days. I was a apprentice electrician $1.37 and hour

 

So I'm at cruise night Saturday night. Walk by yet another restored 69 Camaro convertible. Nicely done, but zzzzzzz....

Then I get a little closer, look under the hood, and nearly roll on the ground laughing. The owner had installed a Pontiac motor, with everything totally stock as if this were a concourse resto on a Firebird. Very cool.

 

My 72 Olds 442 has an Olds 350 Rocket.The only substitute can and will be an Olds 455,nothing else. Nnw,if I can find one.

 

the olds purist we restore alot of cars for, he wants to find a numbers matching ls-6 70 chevelle, have us do a 100 point restoration on it, but install an olds 455. just so he can take it to super chevy sunday........ or a chevelle show, and **** everyone off when he opens the hood. he's been talking about for a couple years now.

see rocketraider, olds purists just like you can be spiteful, too.

 

I have an OLDS 403 in my 72 , in which was originally installed at the factory in a 79 Trans Am , How cool is that ?

 

Had a few of those in my day! Really great motors.

God help your 442 with seven and a half liters!

--Don

 

Even though it throws the shoe on the other foot, it would be just as wrong doing that to a numbers LS6 as sticking the 454 into a W30.

'Course the first order of binness is to find a #s matching Chevelle- they're few and far between, and priced accordingly. That's the reason documented Chevys bring such big money- the vast majority have not seen their original drivetrains since their warranties ran out. Blow 'em up, stick a JY engine in 'em and keep gittin' up.

 

What's a JY engine ??

Now you're goin off the reservation into Chevy haterville. LOL

 

That reminds me of an old 66 Chevelle SS396 vert I use to have.
Talked with the previous owner and he said it use to have a tri power 389 in it.