I went to a car show. The Street Rod Nationals in Louisville KY Saturday. First year for muscle cars at the show, no 442's I didn't see one anyway. They did have alot of Chevelles all of them badged as SS. I did see around 100 of them one was a real Chevelle SS the rest was clones.

I did see a 48 Olds like Pat's.

 

JY= Junk Yard.

What's hating about my statement about documented Chevrolet bringing higher dollar than the typical Chevy that's been buggered around during its lifetime? That's fact, and has been since at least the mid-80s. See 70 S' statement about 100 or so Chevelle SS at a show, and all but one clones. I can about guarantee most of these clones were obvious too. Aftermarket SS badging on a non-SS car does not make an SS.

If you're paying attention (and I think you're cherry-picking your argument points) you'll see I also said it was wrong to yank a documented LS6 car's engine to put something else in it. Anything else, Chevy or otherwise.

Aces- man up and face it. Original engine cars are more valuable and desirable in this hobby, no matter what brand they are. Guys like you who want everything modern in an old body can't or won't see that, but when cars trade hands, an original car with documentation is where the serious money shows up.

 

Heres my 65 before I restored it.

 

I gotta say that is the damnedest aircleaner I think I've ever seen!




Back in my F-body days I decided a factory Pontiac louvered chrome aircleaner would look spiffy setting atop my 68 Firebird 400's 428 (no it wasn't factory but it was Pontiac and it would haul serious ***).

Then I found out what GMPD wanted for that aircleaner, and all of a sudden that Mr. Gasket open element didn't look so bad after all!

 

Oh more memories sold mine (off my 66 LeMans Sprint) for $50.00

 

That isn't how you stated it though in your post. You were trying to paint a picture that there's few TRUE SS's with their original drivetrains because "They were replaced when their warranties ran out". That's how you stated it. That's implying the Chevy motors were junk, so the few left = bigger $$$.....

I'm going to use 1970 since Hemmings did a buyers guide on Olds 442's in late 2009 that said
the 1970 was the most desirable and brought in the highest $$$ value for all original cars.

In 1970 Chevrolet built ~62,372 Chevelle Super Sports (Source)
In 1970 Oldsmobile built ~19,330 442's. (Source)

That would imply that Olds having much fewer production numbers (33%) should
be valued at 3 to 1 ratio to the Chevelle SS's , but that's not even close the the case.
Chevelle SS's true from the factory bring in more $$$. Why is this??? Opinions will vary.

The reality here is you will find a HELL of alot more Chevelle SS's and clones on the road
then you will find 442's and clones on the road even to this day.
So rarity is on the Olds side. But $$$ by comparison isn't.


That part I'll agree with.
Why ?? Because it's a VERY rare vehicle, so it's worthwhile to keep it original. If it's a clone, it's not as valuable, so those are the one's you can switch things out with without fear of dropping much value off the car.

No one contested this point.

RARE vehicle combinations are desirable in the Muscle Car world. Keeping them original is important to collectors. But when you take a 6cylinder run of the mill Cutlass / Chevelle or whatever and turn it into a 442 or SS with whatever engine you want, it's not really hurting the value since it wasn't desirable in it's factory run of the mill condition.

My car is NOT a factory 442 , so I would consider turning it into a Pro-Touring car, LSX, 6 speed, big brake kits, etc. If it WAS a factory 442, I wouldn't do that, because it's a rare vehicle that's worth more in original condition.

 

Another LS Swap into an Olds.. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=5883

 

well to chime in i have been asking an asking but im in the army an move every 2 years an its hard enough to find a good mechanic an lord forbid you want to rebuild a olds motor no one in the areas i have been in wants to even touch it an the one guy i did find hell for what he wanted to rebuild i could have bought a new car so its not that we want to put chevy in its just alot eaisier to find an cheap to rebuild they are a dime a dozen im in hinesville ga an went to every salvage yard around just to see if i could find anything olds an nothing but all they chevy stuff you could want .im not happy that i might end up with a chevy engine but if that what happens then im still going to drive it

 

I want to put a helicopter engine in my W-30.....can anyone offer advice

 

Bust out the plasma!!!

 

Here in Australia everything is Chevy or Ford with Pontiac and Corvette thrown in the mix. Oldsmobiles of the 60's-70's era are few and far between and Mopars of the U.S variety are very exspencive.

Owning a Oldsmobile and Mopar, swap meets here are a total wast of time.
I have been to several GM only shows and not seen an Oldsmobile yet!

My 72 442 was cheap to import, parts readilly available and not a Chevelle or Camaro. I wanted a semi Pro-Touring/ Trans-am series looking car and was going GM 572 as it looks a kickass motor and I couldn't find a 455ci olds motor for love or money.
I got a ride in a 70 Cutlass SX with a 455ci /C heads with dual LPG carby's and was glad I kept looking.

I believe for that nostalga/ back to my childhood feeling they should have there name sake motor in them as it gives them that indaviduality from the other brands.

On a seperate note IMO changing a cars color is bad luck like renaming boats, but thats a whole new argument.

 

Buddy of mine put a Volvo V6 into a Che^y Luv Pickup once.

Put the truck on the lift, jacked the engine into a good spot, and stick welded the motor mounts to the frame.

Ran good too.

Was he so wrong?

- Eric
• the '78 260 Olds V8 in my '73 Delta Convertible = an Abomination •

 

This thread should be keeping on!

 

I'm converting my 455 to steam power........gonna keep the coal in the back seat.

 

I just cut those posts without predjudice.

 

 

This car had a centrifugal blown Olds big block at the 2008 OCA nationals. Key word is HAD....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/66-Ol...item1e5f7b80f2

 

Simple to me. Yes I would like a 572, But at the cost? However, not in my car. My 455 OLDS just fries the tires as needed. I used to be a Cheby guy as you can see in my (old) screen name. JMO

 

I remember that car and I do think they went backwards going to an LS3.

 

I would gladly put a SBC in an Olds. A 2001 Olds Bravada which pretty much has a SBC in it already.

I totally agree. Olds motors belong in Olds cars. The good thing about is that all these bowties don't know what they have and could let a set of D heads go for $20

I was told by a guy at the track once that "There are no parts for an Olds motor anyway" But yet, he had Summit stickers on his car

 

I think you'll be totally ecstatic with that GM572 in that Olds.
That is the baddest Big Block GM ever created for production.

It's going to sell for alot more money because of that VERY STREETABLE
530hp Fuel Injected NASCAR technology motor in it though. Whoever buys that
car will probably end up on Hot Rod's Power Tour getting ~12mpg city and 24mpg highway.

Of course opinions are subjective, but mine is the opposite.

 

I wish there were more intakes for olds motors, the 502 Ram Air EFI intake with alloy heads on the 455 would look a killer setup!

Why don't Edelbrock do Pro XT injection for Olds Motors?

Poeple go with Chevy motors for the price and The mass availability of aftermarket gear, Hell even pontiac engines have some great aftermarket gear and there still BOP.

 

Demand isn't there. No other way to put it.

Bingooooo.....

 

I have come to realize "It's the price you pay for being the standout in the crowd"

 

I have come to realize "It's the price you pay for being the standout in the crowd"

 

Here's a video of a helicopter gas turbine powered minivan. I think they keep the side doors open or the thing would suck so much air it would collapse the van like a pop can and suck the driver's lungs and eyeballs out.
Dig the soccer ball decal on the back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQM_TyyRye4

I think it would fit in the back of my Vista with a few modifications.
Could leave the Olds engine under the hood for taxiing to the runway before flight.
Rocket and Turbine powered Vista Cruiser...who needs those stinkin' late night infomercial manhood enhancers and Chebby engines.

 

Can you imagine pulling up to the lights at night under Olds power, asking the other lane driver for a race, turning the engine off, winding down the rear windows and firing that thing up. IT WOULD BE PRICELESS,

 

Just go buy a Tucker. They came from the factory with helicopter engines.

 

Still doesn't make them the best engine choice for a non-Chevrolet car. All it shows me is that the car builder has absolutely no imagination, prefers to run with the herd, and wants to take the easy way out. If you want to build a standout car, you cannot do that.

People also try to throw reliability into the equation. Seems odd to me that non-Chevy engines managed to reliably power non-Chevy cars for hundreds of thousands of miles, but now people claim you have to have that Chevrolet engine to be reliable and roadworthy? I ain't buying it.

Chevrolet engine in a Chevrolet is fine. Chevrolet engine in anything else is boring.

Chevy power, Porsche Guards Red paint, and billet accessories are passe' . As much as I used to like Torq-Thrust wheels, they are rapidly falling into cliche' territory too.

 

But it would be better with a 572 J.K.

I was telling my son that the Tucker had a helicopter engine.
We were just at the Lemay property standing next to a Tucker.
Love those exhaust tips!

 

I have to disagree on all counts.

Sorry buddy, but a GM572 is going to stand out no matter what car it's in.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news to an Olds purist, but so will an LS3.

At every car show I've been to I've seen almost stock Oldsmobiles at every function, so how
much "imagination" and "standing out from the crowd" is that ?? That's conformity buddy.

That tells me the owners have no imagination by keeping it stock.
Granted, some are rare, so I can understand, but the non-rare one's, not so much.
An LS3 or GM572 is the one standing out from the pack.
A completely customized vehicle from the interior to the suspension and engine = imagination.

How many Toronado's do you think are out there with a 1000hp Gen IV twin turbo rear wheel drive platform??
Yeah standing out from the crowd is EXACTLY what this is. http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...ado/index.html

 

Yeah, and that car is a joke in hardcore Toronado circles, of which I am a part. We figure Jay was afraid of a 1000 HP front wheel drive car after seeing how the Hairy Olds behaved with a 1000 HP blown Olds 425 w/ Toronado drivetrain at each end of the car. The torque steer off that engine would bend a forged tierod thick as a normal man's wrist. It also would send the car into the rails and crowd if the pilot wasn't careful, and Joe Schubeck admitted to being very wary of the car.

Leno's German carbuilder insisted the Toronado drivetrain could not handle the LS engine. Bullshit. It handled the Hairy Olds' front engine just fine. The steering is where the problem was.

Aces, I have told you before. I have no problem with sticking a Chevrolet-design engine in a Chevrolet where it belongs. But I do not want to see them in anything else. Nothing else, no matter what brand it is. You will never change my mind and my opinion is well known in not only Oldsmobile circles but also in WOW and ISCA- again, which I left because I was tired of all the damn cliches and egos.

 

Everyone bitched that Lenos Toronado was LS powered, and rear wheel drive, and everything else under the sun. I love that car. Why? Because it exists. Leno built a car the no one cares about, besides hard core Toronado people. The car was everywhere, car shows, magazines, TV, etc. Millions of people saw a car they probably had never seen before or cared to look at if they did. Isnt that better than having it sit behind the body shop in BFE where it was before he found it?

Believe me I love my Oldsmobiles, but it didnt take much imagination to find a 400 to put back in my 65. It didnt take much imagination to restore it. I just built it the way GM did.

 

I know I am late on this post but here we go...
Wow I didn't even know Pontiac was around in the Little House on the Praire days [/quote]
Well Hondas were mentioned in the New Testament. Romans 15 1-33
" May the God of endurance and encourgement grant you to live in such harmony with one another in (one ) accord with Christ Jesus"
It does not say if it is a 2 door or 4 door.

 

That's kinda funny to read....no offense meant.

BTW I'm not here to change your mind. God knows I wouldn't waste time trying to do that.
I'm just here to be the voice of modern imagination & creativity VS purist mentality.

There's so many classes of restorations and classics that one mindset doesn't cover them all.
Stock, Resto-Mods, Pro-Touring, etc.

You are a Purist enthusiast.
I'm more of a Resto-Mod / Pro-Touring enthusiast.

Agreed, and Exactly my point.
Nothing wrong with restoring a vehicle to stock if that's what you desire.

But deviating from a stock vehicle is where imagination begins rocketraider.
When there's no "assembly manual" to follow for what your plans are.

Why do you think Overhaulin was such a popular show ??
[and Pimp My Ride] > You don't see a show called "restore my ride"
You would be on the left.........................................., I would be more on the right.

 

It is true!
To back up Glenn's point, take for exmaple my parent's former 1987 Buick Regal T-Type (Grand National sleeper). My folks have it for 20 years(Feb 1987 -May 2007), the car was in low #2 shape,no mod to speak of, and have 120,000 on the origanl 3.8 turbo V-6 motor(prior to the Buick being sold). This Buick trade hands TWICE from May 2007- Aug or Sept of 2007.
Last I heard the new/3rd owner from Mass, was going to RESTORE IT to #1 condtion

Everyday day I see on CarDomain and Ebay, the DUBBED rigs being peddled off, it appears these getto rigs are not sell to quickly.
Someday, I do plan to rid of the painted front bumper on my red Toronado and replace it with a chrome bumper.

 

Many moons ago, a mentor said to me (and this person heard it from a mechanic of 40+ plus years)
"Any idot can drive a Chevolet and most do!"

This person also said, its not the car/make or model. It is the person (or persons) driving these machines.

 

There is a big difference in a well built PT/ resto-mod car and a Dubbed pimp ride.

I still say the Delta above should have kept the Pro-charged Olds motor. Its not a very popular car to begin with and its the race car set up with an uncommon blown Olds power plant that made it cool. Now they have taken the Olds buyer out of the picture. For the money there are plenty of nice built Impalas on the market that will have a better chance getting the little bit of money changing hands right out there right now.

 

You're right, it took the Olds Purist buyer out of the picture......
and attracted a much higher profile owner with alot more coin to spend.
Jay Leno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSiOLr6Kyds

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...toronado-8450/

 

I said nothing about Leno's car. It is bad *** in every way. I am talking about the Delta mentioned above. Its a completly mismatched combo now. You have a vintage looking race car with cage and a belly button LS3 crate motor. I have no problem with LS swaps you should know that by now. I have a problem with THAT LS swap. If they have to keep the LS motor the cage needs to go and it needs a wheel and suspension swap to complete the theme. Right now the car is lost.