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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 04:33 PM
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Introduction & pics of my 64 Jetstar 88

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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 05:04 AM
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Nice pics of a nice car. That interior is beautiful. Do you plan a custom paint job or staying with the stock color? I think if you bag it and keep the same wheel openings the same 14's or 15's would look real nice. If you go with 20/18's you may need to make some room for them. Not sure about the spring interchange, Joe might know though. Welcome to CO.
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I'm going to drive it(not until srping) with the paint the way it is, I like the worn look, most people seem to be calling it "patina"? Either way its cool. Once I get all the body panels straightened out then I will decide on paint.
I will do the 14" wires first with the body as is. Then I will work on bigger wheels later as I'm closer to paint. I will probably stay with a teal/blue type color, because the interior is just way to cool to change and the only other color that inyterior would look good with in my eyes would be black. I like black, but it just isn't for this car. Again, just my opinion.
Not sure about doing anything to the motor, I woulkd like to run some duals straight out the back, but would like to keep everything else stock, other than dressing it up some.

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Nice pics of a nice car. That interior is beautiful. Do you plan a custom paint job or staying with the stock color? I think if you bag it and keep the same wheel openings the same 14's or 15's would look real nice. If you go with 20/18's you may need to make some room for them. Not sure about the spring interchange, Joe might know though. Welcome to CO.
Old Oct 13, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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The interior is in outstanding shape. Glad you going to keep it
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Does anyone know if the spring mounts are the same on jetstar and the same year impala? meaning could you take springs from the impala and put them into the jetstar?
Cool car. I had one just like it from 1991 to 1996 before selling it. I don't know specifically about the springs, but you should be aware (if you aren't already) that the engine, drivetrain, and brakes on the Jetstar 88 (but not the Jetstar I) are the same as the F-85/Cutlasses of the same year. They were a "poor man's" 88 at the time, or a way for someone to get into a full-size Oldsmobile at a less than full-size price.

So as you look for parts for these systems, you're going to constantly come across "except for Jetstar 88" whenever you're looking at listings for '64 full-size Oldsmobiles.
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Nice score!

Great to hear that you're going to keep her stock. That the factory radio in the back seat? Speaking of back seats, that one looks like it's never been sat in. I bet that a really good shampoo and cleaning would make the front seat come alive again too. Dash looks immaculate. Overall this car looks like it's in fantastic condition. Glass looks good. Minor body work - is the rust just on the fender, or is the rocker gone there too? Ok that rear bumper needs help. I can't believe that all the bright parts are there and seem to show well. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Take lots of pics and keep updating the site.
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Bag that bitch with 19/20 or 20/20 ....18/20 is too much stagger IMO

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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Cool car. I had one just like it from 1991 to 1996 before selling it. I don't know specifically about the springs, but you should be aware (if you aren't already) that the engine, drivetrain, and brakes on the Jetstar 88 (but not the Jetstar I) are the same as the F-85/Cutlasses of the same year. They were a "poor man's" 88 at the time, or a way for someone to get into a full-size Oldsmobile at a less than full-size price.

So as you look for parts for these systems, you're going to constantly come across "except for Jetstar 88" whenever you're looking at listings for '64 full-size Oldsmobiles.
well I'm hoping this weekend to find out if there is a difference in the coil spring mounting, i bought brackets for a 64 impala and is all goes well, they will would on this with only modifying the brackets if needed. thanks for the parts info, im sure it will help in due time...
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Nice score!

Great to hear that you're going to keep her stock. That the factory radio in the back seat? Speaking of back seats, that one looks like it's never been sat in. I bet that a really good shampoo and cleaning would make the front seat come alive again too. Dash looks immaculate. Overall this car looks like it's in fantastic condition. Glass looks good. Minor body work - is the rust just on the fender, or is the rocker gone there too? Ok that rear bumper needs help. I can't believe that all the bright parts are there and seem to show well. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Take lots of pics and keep updating the site.

yeah the rocker is gone on both fenders, the dr side one being worse. and both rear quarters imo need to be replaced, as well as both bumpers. the interior is in really good shape, the dash pad, armrests and steering wheel have the common cracks but that about it. it has 82xxx original miles and was last on the road legally in 1992.
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well I'm hoping this weekend to find out if there is a difference in the coil spring mounting, i bought brackets for a 64 impala and is all goes well, they will would on this with only modifying the brackets if needed.
I should qualify slightly what I said above. The "except for Jetstar 88" thing will happen as you look for engine, drivertrain, and brake parts. The frame and suspension should be the same as other full-size 88s of that year, so if the Impala parts would fit other '64 88s, they should fit the Jetstar.


and both rear quarters imo need to be replaced, as well as both bumpers
I'm a little curious about this. From your photos, your front bumper doesn't look too bad at all and could just be re-chromed. Why do you want to replace it? On my '64 Jetstar, the front bumper looked like yours does, with no rust-through, and I just took it off and had it re-plated. The rear bumper, on the other hand, was a basket case (worse than yours looks) with rust-through in several places (and this was in 1991--your car is 18 years older now), and my only option was to get another one and have it re-chromed. I ended up buying one from California for about $100 plus shipping and then having it re-chromed for about $250. All together, getting a nice rear bumper on it cost almost $400, and that was in 1991. Probably need to at least double that today, unless you can find a good-enough one that doesn't need to be re-chromed.
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
Nice score!

Great to hear that you're going to keep her stock. That the factory radio in the back seat?
Speaking of back seats, that one looks like it's never been sat in. I bet that a really good
shampoo and cleaning would make the front seat come alive again too. Dash looks immaculate. Overall this car looks like it's in fantastic condition. Glass looks good. Minor body work - is the rust just on the fender, or is the rocker gone there too? Ok that rear bumper needs help. I can't believe that all the bright parts are there and seem to show well. Can't wait to see how this turns out. Take lots of pics and keep updating the site.
Well I will be keeping it stock somewhat. I will be keeping the wheel wells in tact and not notching or cutting the frame or body in any way for the suspension. The last car I did was an 83 regal and I laid that out, hard. All new sheet metal in the trunk for tubbing and a bridge cover and flooring because of the suspension. I flipped the trunk because I had to remove the factory trunk hinges to clear the tubs for the 20's. So this one I won't be going radical like that, but I will still be bagging it and after market wheels etc.

Yes it is the factory radio I got the original window stick with the car as well. The interior is very nice for the year and love the look/feel of it so I won't be changing that up.

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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 05:16 AM
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I got the original window stick with the car as well.
Wow. How cool is that! Imagine such a thing surviving for 45 years and not getting lost along the way. If you have the capability, it would be great if you could scan the sticker and post the picture. I'd love to see what one looks like.
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 05:17 AM
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Bag that bitch with 19/20 or 20/20 ....18/20 is too much stagger IMO

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in due time sir lol
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 05:19 AM
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Wow. How cool is that! Imagine such a thing surviving for 45 years and not getting lost along the way. If you have the capability, it would be great if you could scan the sticker and post the picture. I'd love to see what one looks like.
ok no problem. it will take me a few days to get to it probably, but i will do it.

the guy I got it from seems like a decent guy, and really seemed to care for the car. so he kept everything he could from/for the car.
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i have been looking for dressup and performance parts just to see whats out there and im coming accross headers for $1100+!!!! is that normal for cars like this?
Old Oct 20, 2009 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jaunty75
I should qualify slightly what I said above. The "except for Jetstar 88" thing will happen as you look for engine, drivertrain, and brake parts. The frame and suspension should be the same as other full-size 88s of that year, so if the Impala parts would fit other '64 88s, they should fit the Jetstar.


I'm a little curious about this. From your photos, your front bumper doesn't look too bad at all and could just be re-chromed. Why do you want to replace it? On my '64 Jetstar, the front bumper looked like yours does, with no rust-through, and I just took it off and had it re-plated. The rear bumper, on the other hand, was a basket case (worse than yours looks) with rust-through in several places (and this was in 1991--your car is 18 years older now), and my only option was to get another one and have it re-chromed. I ended up buying one from California for about $100 plus shipping and then having it re-chromed for about $250. All together, getting a nice rear bumper on it cost almost $400, and that was in 1991. Probably need to at least double that today, unless you can find a good-enough one that doesn't need to be re-chromed.

well i know the arms are different on the 88's compared to the impalas. but spring width should be simular, if not i will just make my own brackets and such. i can return the impala brackets if they dont work.

the front bumper i may be able to save, but rechroming isnt an option really for me anymore, with the epa and such cracking down on chroming places for enviromental reasons , everything has gone through the roof pricing wise. i am seeing prices $700+ for bumper rechroming. i dont want them perfect, but the back bumper has holes in it that metal was riveted over and painted with what looks like chrome in a can. i will probably end up going with a hot rod flatz teal color with some striping so i could even get away with body matched bumpers i think. so we will see. im pretty far off from that point though.
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Welcome to the forum. A great find and make it they way you want. Nothing wrong in keeping a stock look and nothing wrong in slamin it if it makes you happy. Sorry I can't answer your question about springs as the Newbie Forum is not the best place to get your questions answered but $1100 for a set of headers is WAY too expensive.
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Originally Posted by bourbon
I'm going to drive it(not until srping) with the paint the way it is, I like the worn look, most people seem to be calling it "patina"? Either way its cool. Once I get all the body panels straightened out then I will decide on paint.
I will do the 14" wires first with the body as is. Then I will work on bigger wheels later as I'm closer to paint. I will probably stay with a teal/blue type color, because the interior is just way to cool to change and the only other color that inyterior would look good with in my eyes would be black. I like black, but it just isn't for this car. Again, just my opinion.
Not sure about doing anything to the motor, I woulkd like to run some duals straight out the back, but would like to keep everything else stock, other than dressing it up some.
Most excellent find brother! Original colour's fine, but an icy-cold white,or any deep dark blue would also look great IMHO....Derek
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Thanks! I love those old documents. I like how the "engine number" is on the bill of sale. When did they stop doing that? What was the point of including it?

It's also interesting that, even as late as 1964, something as seemingly as basic and safety-oriented as back-up lights would still be an extra-cost option.
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Well this project is going to take a different turn, I decided to give it to my dad for Christmas. He has done a lot for me especially in the last few years, and he can't afford a "toy" car anymore, so I figured this would be a good way for him to get one. I am going to try to find some lowering springs(he isn't into bags)that will work on it, and some 17's or 18's at the most, and possibly do some type of exhaust on it for him before I give it to him. If any of you know where I can get some Lowering spring that would work for it, let me know.
thanks...
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 12:53 AM
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Nice looking wheels. Man there sure is alot of room in those front wheel wells. You could probably run a 60 profile tire in there. Hope you dad likes the car.
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ok picked up a set of 17/18 Polished Torque Thrust II's yesterday for the car. Getting 245 45's on the back now, picking them up tomorrow after work, then going to run 245 50's up front .
Why run a taller profile tire up front? Its going to look goofy
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Why run a taller profile tire up front? Its going to look goofy
It looks goofy now. The problem with running larger wheels it that most of the available tires are only 25" in diameter. These older cars need a larger diameter tire to fill the wheelwell - the rubber band tires don't look right in my opinion. BFG has just now come out with 17" and 18" tires with ODs in the 27"-28" range. These will fill the wheelwells and look a lot better.
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it does look goofy now, there is too much wheel well gap, to get rid of that much gap there would have to be about a 5" drop, fine for me with bags, but dont forgoet, i am no longer building this for me, but for my dad. So it will no longer be bagged, and he doesnt care for the big wheel/low profile tire like I do. the wheels up front are a 17, in the back, 18's with 245 45 18 tires which are 26.7" tall(the same as a 245-35-20) the tires up front now are 235-40-17(24.4" tall) from a bagged s10 that the wheels were on. So I will be doing either a 245-45-17(25.7" tall) or a 245-50-17(26.6" tall). then about a 2" drop which will give it a nicer stance as well as get rid of the left over wheel well gap.
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the wheels up front are a 17, in the back, 18's with 245 45 18 tires which are 26.7" tall(the same as a 245-35-20) the tires up front now are 235-40-17(24.4" tall) from a bagged s10 that the wheels were on. So I will be doing either a 245-45-17(25.7" tall) or a 245-50-17(26.6" tall). then about a 2" drop which will give it a nicer stance as well as get rid of the left over wheel well gap.
If you do a 245-50 in front the sidewall will be almost 1/2" taller in front than in back. Worst wheel combo mistake anyone can make in staggered sizes IMO. You are trying to get the same size hieght front and rear with two sizes of wheel. You need to look at a taller tire in the rear to make a 17/18 combo look OK. Look at sizes for a lot of new cross over SUV's. With only a 2" drop a 245-50-17 255-50-18 will be a lot better or even 55 series tires all the way around if you want a little taller.
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Well, I thought I would just jump into the middle of this thread and show you some pictures of a 1964 Dynamic 88 with wheels similar to yours. This car belongs to a fellow car club member. These pictures were taken just a few weeks ago when we went on a car club cruise. I do not know the wheel/tire sizes, but if you are interested, I can get them. They look great. Enjoy the pictures and I will enjoy seeing how your car progresses.
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Old Nov 24, 2009 | 09:29 AM
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Well, I thought I would just jump into the middle of this thread and show you some pictures of a 1964 Dynamic 88 with wheels similar to yours. This car belongs to a fellow car club member. These pictures were taken just a few weeks ago when we went on a car club cruise. I do not know the wheel/tire sizes, but if you are interested, I can get them. They look great. Enjoy the pictures and I will enjoy seeing how your car progresses.
I would be curious to know that car sits right and has a great tire combo.
My guess is they are 255-50-17 front and 275-50-17 rear or that might even be a 255-60 rear with a 55 seris in front. Looks good whatever it is.
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I would be curious to know that car sits right and has a great tire combo.
My guess is they are 255-50-17 front and 275-50-17 rear or that might even be a 255-60 rear with a 55 seris in front. Looks good whatever it is.
I will get with Jason and find out the wheel/tire sizes and post them on this thread. It might take a few days so check back. That car just looks awesome going down the highway. The stance is perfect.
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Originally Posted by gearheads78
If you do a 245-50 in front the sidewall will be almost 1/2" taller in front than in back. Worst wheel combo mistake anyone can make in staggered sizes IMO. You are trying to get the same size hieght front and rear with two sizes of wheel. You need to look at a taller tire in the rear to make a 17/18 combo look OK. Look at sizes for a lot of new cross over SUV's. With only a 2" drop a 245-50-17 255-50-18 will be a lot better or even 55 series tires all the way around if you want a little taller.
my friends 66 caprice has 245-45-18 up front, 245-35-20 out back, same height but about 1" more sidewall up front than out back, and i think it looks fine. i appreciate your opinion, but im gonna stay with my original plan.
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Originally Posted by 76Supreme455
Well, I thought I would just jump into the middle of this thread and show you some pictures of a 1964 Dynamic 88 with wheels similar to yours. This car belongs to a fellow car club member. These pictures were taken just a few weeks ago when we went on a car club cruise. I do not know the wheel/tire sizes, but if you are interested, I can get them. They look great. Enjoy the pictures and I will enjoy seeing how your car progresses.
the car looks good, i am curious to his wheel/tire sizes as well.
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pic of joe's caprice, i think it looks fine.

This is a matter of personal taste - I don't care for it but it isn't my car. I am curious, however. What happens when you turn the front wheels full lock?
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This is a matter of personal taste - I don't care for it but it isn't my car. I am curious, however. What happens when you turn the front wheels full lock?
You raise the bags
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You raise the bags
So it only looks "good" when parked and it has lots of daylight between the wheelwells and the tires when driving. Again, not my first choice, but it's a matter of personal taste.
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So it only looks "good" when parked and it has lots of daylight between the wheelwells and the tires when driving. Again, not my first choice, but it's a matter of personal taste.
i honestly dont understand why you would keep going like this, you stated your opinion, i answered your question, just let it go. i didnt think this forum was like the lowrider and mini truck forums where everyone just wants to get into a pissing match. i guess these forums are all the same.
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So it only looks "good" when parked and it has lots
of daylight between the wheelwells and the tires when driving.
Again, not my first choice, but it's a matter of personal taste.
And the last time I checked(and anyone with common sense would know) that air bags are adjustable suspension, adjustable meaning you can ride at any height. So what would make you think
It would ride all the way up? I see you're a super moderator, so cancel my ******* account.
Thanks to all the guys who actually had something intelligent to say here, but I don't have patience for this bullshit.
Goodluck with all your projects guys, take care.
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I would be curious to know that car sits right and has a great tire combo.
My guess is they are 255-50-17 front and 275-50-17 rear or that might even be a 255-60 rear with a 55 seris in front. Looks good whatever it is.
I heard back from my friend Jason. Here are the specs for anyone who's interested.

The wheels on the 88 are American Racing Torque Thrust 2, 17x8 in the rear with 275/60, and 17x7 front with 235/60 Goodyear tires. The suspension has stock springs with two coils cut out of the front springs. I would suggest cutting no more than one coil out of the springs to start with, and then more if needed. No air bags, and I do get a small tire rub on the front tires when I turn lock to lock.
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