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Old March 4th, 2015, 09:00 AM
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I'm not a fan of white/black cars (unless there's more contrast, like on a pace car), but with the black vinyl top, this car looks like it's trimmed nicely.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 09:17 AM
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My terminology may be off, this is the sheet from under the carpet that details out the options (the same sheet that was under the gas tank on my '70 GTO) I'll get pics when I'm home.

Still own the '65 GTO vert, hate to but need to sell her, as I'm up to too many old ones, clean car, it will sell. Do think the 442 makes itiworth letting go of the goat, and I'm true pontiac thru and thru
thats a really tough call, they are both great cars i hope the decision comes without to much pain... if you say you are a pontiac man then i think thats your answer
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Do you have other Pontiacs? If not , I think that you will regret it.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 04:11 PM
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Hehe, wish I had this predicament....my 66 Bonneville would be gone in a second if I had the chance at a car like this....not a 65 GTO, but still a Pontiac.
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Old March 4th, 2015, 08:00 PM
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66 bonne is no slouch. I do like the colors on the car as you say Diego, blk vinyl top makes it pop, the top is in very nice original condition.

I do have other ponchos, a 70 GTO vert, and three 69 birds, including my first high school car, so I'm good. I've owned the 65 longer than I thought I would, told the wife I'd sell in a year, which was 5 years ago. The 442 is more blue chip, as my 65 does not have the original motor / tranny, so I'm good, no regrets! I'm not much on selling old cars, but good to know the investment is solid.
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What are the colors of the '70 GTO and '69 'Birds? What engines?
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Old March 5th, 2015, 03:58 PM
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428, 4 spd, 390 RWHP, KRE heads,
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Mint turquoise, all original numbers matching, 400 auto, sandal wood interior
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69 TA RA III, 4 spd

I have issues, everyone needs a hobby though right?
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Old March 5th, 2015, 05:29 PM
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Is that a real Mint Turquoise convertible?

I believe one of the big Pontiac guys in FL painted his convertible this color maybe 10-15 years ago, although I think his was not this originally. Mint Turquoise is the rarest GTO color aside of the Judge-only Orbit Orange (although several were special-ordered on other Pontiacs).
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Yes, original mint turquoise car, it is the 2nd rarest color after orbit orange I understand. Car is correct down to the starter, carb, alt, master cylinder, etc. I did some suspension work on it to make it handle, minor bolt on sway bars, etc, I added power windows and gauges, amd the wing. Very nice driving car.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 07:19 PM
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Yeah, that's pretty sweet. Always liked that color - it's aged well compared to other colors from 1970.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 08:26 AM
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66 bonne is no slouch. I do like the colors on the car as you say Diego, blk vinyl top makes it pop, the top is in very nice original condition.

I do have other ponchos, a 70 GTO vert, and three 69 birds, including my first high school car, so I'm good. I've owned the 65 longer than I thought I would, told the wife I'd sell in a year, which was 5 years ago. The 442 is more blue chip, as my 65 does not have the original motor / tranny, so I'm good, no regrets! I'm not much on selling old cars, but good to know the investment is solid.


just a side note...the Bonneville and the GTO had remarkably similar front clips....
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Old March 6th, 2015, 09:18 PM
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Pretty color car there Sammy, 8 lug wheels?
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Old March 6th, 2015, 09:25 PM
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Nope, from the looks of it.

My friend in Detroit used to have a '66 Bonneville 421 HO 4-speed. One of my favorites ever - a Pontiac that thought it was a Buick.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 04:30 AM
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Pretty color car there Sammy, 8 lug wheels?


I just learned of the 8 lug wheels from another CO member. They would look great. Were they an option on these cars?. They are pretty expensive to buy by the little research I have done....
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That is one slick Bonny Ted. I like it.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 04:48 AM
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Thanks Adam, Badbirds knows way more about these cars than I ! It sure rides nice. ....but if you notice in the pic, the Olds is in the garage
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Better view with that pic, very clean beautiful car, too many cars, so little garage space! Love the wheel skirts, the first poncho in my life was the family 68. 4 door Catalina in the early 70s. My mom was getting the groceries out the car, and yours truly dropped the car Out of gear, and she rolled down the driveway, across the street, and up into the neighbors yard.... I would have been 5 so technically the fist poncho I ever drove was a full sue, and it did have fender skirts....and I do not hit anything!

GTO sold today, to a very good home, older gent had a 65 back in the day, plans to paint her iris mist. Sad, but good home.
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Finally a few pics, for some reason when I go into the advanced attachments it will only let me upload one pic at a time
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I am no expert in these details, but I see what appears to be bullsnort there in the last pic. Worth looking into anyhow.

The lower sheet has numbers in various boxes. E.g. box 69 with unreadable options listed has a "4" inked into it. Therefore, column 69, conveniently numbered at the bottom of the Hollerith [IBM] card, should have the punch hole at the "4" location. At the very least, the "344870M205633" would be in there somewhere...

I vaguely recall that they rows started at "0" at the top thru "9" at the bottom. Or something like that.

Ditto for all the other boxes and columns and lines. They do not seem to match at all, as if someone took a random punched IBM card and printed the other stuff atop it.

By no means do I know this to be true, and perhaps GM used the columns and rows differently.... anyone who knows please shed light.

But, if any documentation were likely to be be falsified it would be that proving the W-ness of a 1970 W30.

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How about a 180 rotation of the pics?
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How about a 180 rotation of the pics?
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Thanks Octania, very much a love / hate relationship with the I pad, it seems to think it funny to post them upside down, nothing to do with the user of course.😉

With the broad cast card, documents tracing back to the original owner, not sure how the car could be a fake. If it is, I was worked over by a 70 year old man who was really good and went to great lengths! Having said that I am interested in others views of these other two cards.

pic of Lonnie Sr. in the car in the mid 90's, I purchased from Lonnie jr.
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Old March 30th, 2015, 09:53 AM
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Hold you pad upside down when taking the photos, the obvious answer.
I just use Pain(t) to ctrl-R....otate them 180

I cannot assert the dox are fake, I have nowhere near that kind of knowledge. I am just saying, what do those punchouts mean if not the info to be related? When I first began to use computers, at MSU, circa 1977, we had to write programs onto those cards. Run them as a batch in the giant reader machine. Come back later and find out what you need to fix. I know each punch meant something.

It is entirely possible that in order for each column to be any of 0-9 or a letter or whatnot, it is NOT just "punch out 4th hole down for four"... and therefore I am not reading the punches right.

IT should be looked into by someone more familiar with this method and GM's practices.
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