I'd suggest finding and deleting all your CO cookies, and then logging back in with the problematic browser.

 

Yeah, sorry. Chrome mostly.

Chrome is up to date
Version 129.0.6668.90 (Official Build) (64-bit)

 

Using both MS Edge [Version 129.0.2792.79 (Official build) (64-bit)] & Firefox [131.0 (64-bit)] when navigating both Ford Enthusiasts & CO there exists what appears disparity between the two sites regarding 5S dependent on Browser. A disparity difficult to diagnose but oddly enough the disparity appears more inconsistent using MS Edge.

No VPN
Windows 11 (64-bit) 23H2 (OS Build 22631.4249)

I'll call it the 5S TTL (Time To Live) parameter/bit but my nomenclature likely incorrect (I don't write code any longer).

MS Edge appears to lose it's 5S TTL randomly - especially when negotiating "New Posts". No Browser activity for extended time >60 seconds. Click "New Posts" & 5S text display appears. Employing same criteria using Firefox does the 5S text does not appear. I validated this on both Ford Enthusiasts & CO. The 5S TTL occurs on CO but not Ford Enthusiasts.

 

Robb - Good feedback. I've been routinely cleaning my cookies. Valid suggestion(s). These type issues are tough to resolve.

MS Edge retains Autofill (username text), Firefox does not. MS Edge loses 5S TTLY parameter, Firefox does not. I can't speak to Chrome or any other Browser especially as it "might" relate to type of cookie i.e. Session, Persistent, HTTP, etc.

I know cookies in best-case scenarios would like to be written to accommodate the greatest number of Browsers; yet, cookies are often written for a specific Browser (which can manifest issues under certain conditions/parameters).

NOTEWORTHY: I've reviewed Event Viewer Application, Security & System events & find no applicable events. The only noteworthy variance I have found is related to Browsers. Both Firefox & MS Edge released updates to their Browsers during this 5S event(s). MS Edge update 9/27 Firefox 10/1 - both w/in this 5S time frame.

 

thank you for this, it should really help our tech team in narrowing down whatever is happening. I have seen the same concern raised in a couple other Communities, but you have provided the most useful information by far, so thank you very much!

 

NOTE: Chrome last update occurred > ver. 129.0.6668.89/90 on 1 October 2024 specifically for Windows, macOS, Linux. Note the time of this release - same time-frame (I suspect) as this 5S issue.

 

It stopped yesterday but is back today.

 

how about providing us with some information about your setup and use case please?

 

Windows 11 and Microsoft Edge

 

I use win10 and edge on my laptop and safari on my iPhone all with the latest updates. No issues

 

I've never seen the issue on iPhone (any version or build) using Safari.

Off-topic: We now have a new motif? That is completely different as of this morning. I haven' logged in via mobile (iPhone) or using MS Edge but I suspect the banner locations, style & font(s) are not only different but same for all platforms & browsers?

 

Yes, it seems that there were some changes made to the site today.

 

Changes - Yeah. That's cool.

Robb - I just negotiated a Browser handshake to CO via MS Edge. MS Edge has significant disparity compared to Firefox. MS Edge: 'New Posts' click - complete 5S timeout/pause. Click 'My Posts" complete 5S timeout/pause. Click 'New Posts' same, same, same - the 5S timeout (text message) appears to not reset the counter to zero. IOW, any TTL for the 5S text message does not reset a counter to zero. Or, when you hit 'New Posts' & sporadically "My Posts", you continually get another 5S timeout/pause text message. Odd/Peculiar. It's like yeah, the TTL may be configured but the TTL countdown isn't working so each time you click 'My Posts' or 'New Posts' the TTL counter starts all over again. Bad nomenclature on my part (sorry) but seems like each time you click those two breadcrumbs it resets the 5S TTL counter. Doesn't happen on Firefox apparently. It may have happened once or twice for me on Firefox, but it's rampant on MS Edge.

 

Just an FYI.

There is a MS Window OS Cumulative Update released this morning (basic normal 2nd Tuesday of each month MS Update). I'm noting there are 22 updates in this package ~1/2 of which involve .NET Framework, some of which involve Security context. Most involve Windows 11 OS; however, two are specifically written for Windows 10 OS and later. Since I'm not about to open every single update to evaluate exactly what parameters are being changed, updated, etc. - this is just an FYI, but there's always the possibility there "could" involve a fix relative to this issue. Fingers crossed, eh?

At any rate, it's information worth noting. I'll see how it plays out as I'm sure others will, as well.

Here's what's included in this Cumulative Update (if anyone's interested):

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...20windows%2011

 

MS OS Cumulative Update did nothing to resolve the 5 second counter issue. SNAFU

 

FWIW, appears to be MS Edge related. I'm not seeing these errors on Firefox. Unclear if there's a relationship between underlying OS & version of MS Edge (although I doubt it). Appears unique to MS Edge. There's a bag of code from MS IE which was migrated into MS Edge during the release of MS Edge. If I dared to install &/or open a version IE I suspect I'd find same issue. Ugh.

 

we are definitely narrowing in on Edge for desktop, but we also have some folks using Android/Samsung devices who report the issue applies to them also. iPhones do not appear to be affected the same way.

 

Curious what Browser users w/ Android/Samsung mobile devices use. I only use Safari on my iPhone - I don't experience any issues. Good Luck. Like chasing a needle in a hay stack.

 

I just tried this and still got the 5 second warning after clicking on New Posts.
Win11 and Chrome browser.

 

I get it every time I connect thru my bookmarks but if I get a notification by email and I click on the link it doesn't give me the 5 sec. notice. Using Windows 10 & Chrome.

 

Currently having this issue on both the phone (Android/Google chrome) and the work computer (win10/Google chrome)

I have not tried different browsers.

 

That's interesting. I haven't considered reviewing that avenue of disparity, which must exist if you don't get the 5 second notice on an embedded (e-mail) link but you do get the 5 second notice via your user Browser Bookmark.
In general, I think those are two differently coded handshakes, believe me when I say I am guessing here, but:
A Bookmark uses a Web-based API call if I'm not mistaken, while;
An embedded link uses a non-Web-based API call.
IIRC, Web-based API calls employ http(s) GET PUT POST requests via the Website front-end server(s) to perform different various actions based upon end-user Browser interface (handshake) employing SOAP protocol; while non-Web-based API calls are program specific APIs developers compile directly into their code to make GET PUT requests to a specific application library instead of using Web-based API calls (which are accessed via Web protocols).
If this is true (?) there appears some disparity between Web-based API Browser handshakes vs. non-Web-based API calls (which are independent of a Browser handshake/interface)?

 

Equally interesting to note both MS Edge & Google Chrome are based on open-source Chromium. Firefox (Mozilla) & Safari are not based on open-source Chromium.

 

It would be interesting (if you happen to notice &/or are keeping track) whether you don't get the issue in an embedded e-mail link or if you do get the issue outside of an embedded e-mail link [e.g. via a CO Bookmark or simply navigating to the CO site via your Browser (http)].

 

I am assuming your default Browser is Chrome, correct? IOW, when click on the embedded e-mail link, the link opens in your Chrome Browser, right?

 

At work, its via browser (well, I type cl and it populates in the search bar as the site)

On the phone, its via bookmarks.

I haven't chased it yet following the link in an email (for example a thread has been updated that I'm following)

 

our best guess is that some chromium browsers are prefetching the content of links embedded in pages it's loading in the foreground which is triggering a search, but we're still trying to figure this one out.

 

I haven't seen the error since the weekend when I first posted. I'm using Chrome on my Droid 99% of the time.

Interestingly, the Moderator tools have changed. Now each thread has a checkbox when I browse forums or view New Posts. I assume that's so I can move or delete a thread. Still nothing new when browsing FTE.

 

the ability to select posts or threads from the 'search results' pages is new, hopefully to help making removing spam easier for folks. FTE has all the same changes that CO does.

 

Yes I have Chrome and if I get an email with a link to the thread/post and I click on it it goes directly to the thread/post without the 5 second deal.

 

MS Edge - million pound (power hog) gorilla . Wish I had Nirsoft loaded to read prefetch files. I like being retired but I like also to make informed decisions regarding cpu, gpu & memory on my PC. Past times I've fired up various browsers running on various CPUs to validate/invalidate how big the MS Edge gorilla really is. It's a behemoth - why I remain w/ Firefox. I was just reviewing my own prefetch files for both Firefox & Edge. I was not opening prefetch files but simply noting properties of each file (size, # of prefetch files, dates, etc.). Edge remains hands-down the Alpha Gorilla. BTW, I read somewhere of a Web developer researching Edge prefetch files pertaining to performance. Can't recall which extensions, but he listed various Edge extensions which were literally blowing up (consuming) both cpu & memory. He/She cleared (deleted) all extensions and cpu & memory returned to normal performance state. I'll note this Web developer became involved in troubleshooting Edge prefetch files during a previous MS Edge update (last year?). Interesting this (current) issue appears related to the most recent MS Edge update, as well.

Good Luck!

 

Good feedback.

 

I run firefox at home on windows 10, chrome at work on windows 10, and Samsung Internet Browser on an Android. This issue is not present.

 

I use Google Chrome at work on a Win10 machine and have this problem constantly. I also use Chrome on my Android phone and also have this problem constantly. I'm not noticing it on my home desktop computer which runs Linux Mint with the Chrome browser.

 

the problem appears to be that Chrome/Edge are pre fetching linked content on pages it is loading in the foreground. if you disable the pre fetch the issue goes away.

 

How do you do that? Some of us are not computer savvy.
Thank you.

 

To change your Google Chrome prefetch settings on Android phone, open the Chrome app.

Tap the menu button (three dots), go to "Settings" > "Privacy and security" > "Preload pages", and then select your desired prefetch option.

You can choose to either enable or disable prefetching and sometimes select the level of prefetching depending on your preference.

 

The condition seems to have worsened for me. Now, when selecting 'My Posts' from the user name dropdown, all you get is the 5 sec report. It never resolves then going to your posts. This worked as normal I think Saturday, at least for me.

MS Windows 10 pro. 10.0.19045
Chrome Version 129.0.6668.100 (Official Build) (64-bit) (which updated only moments ago)

 

disable your chrome prefetch/preload settings.

 

Thanks - Solved the problem on the 'new posts' dropdown but it is still prompting the 5 sec warning on 'my posts' from user name above right. Really who cares, I don't use that all that much anyway.