strongest man tranny
February 6th, 2013, 07:53 AM
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strongest man tranny
Ok question what manual trans do you think is the strongest out there for street and strip? I plan on running on the strip sometime with slicks and dont know how my muncie will hold up to my 468
February 6th, 2013, 08:43 AM
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I was thinking of trying one of these autogear units
http://autogear.net/ag_archive/muncieproducts.htm
M22 Standard Close RatioThese are the ratios General Motors offered as a factory option. Best when used with deep axle ratios such as 4.11 and 4.56. Designed in the days of 40 cent gasoline, it's good for dragsters and limited street use.M22W Custom Wide Ratio (Available Spring '02)We designed this gearset to run with more economical axle ratios such as 3.55 and 3.70. For cars that can handle it this is our recommended street ratio.M22X Custom Competition RatioWe designed this gearset primarily for vintage racing on road courses where upper gear flexibility is more important than acceleration from zero. It can be used with very large street motors if the 1-2 ratio drop is not a problem.M22Y Custom Overdrive Ratio (Available Summer '02)We designed this gearset in response to the many requests we have received for an "in case" overdrive. The overdrive 4th is noisy and less efficient when compared to the direct drive 4th in a conventional gearset but it can be used in cars where an axle ratio change is not pr
M22 Standard Close RatioThese are the ratios General Motors offered as a factory option. Best when used with deep axle ratios such as 4.11 and 4.56. Designed in the days of 40 cent gasoline, it's good for dragsters and limited street use.M22W Custom Wide Ratio (Available Spring '02)We designed this gearset to run with more economical axle ratios such as 3.55 and 3.70. For cars that can handle it this is our recommended street ratio.M22X Custom Competition RatioWe designed this gearset primarily for vintage racing on road courses where upper gear flexibility is more important than acceleration from zero. It can be used with very large street motors if the 1-2 ratio drop is not a problem.M22Y Custom Overdrive Ratio (Available Summer '02)We designed this gearset in response to the many requests we have received for an "in case" overdrive. The overdrive 4th is noisy and less efficient when compared to the direct drive 4th in a conventional gearset but it can be used in cars where an axle ratio change is not pr
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February 6th, 2013, 08:49 AM
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February 8th, 2013, 04:34 PM
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strongest 4 speed trany
Super T10 with nodular main case and 264 first gear ,input will have 3 rings around it, friend had a roller 454 bbc with nitrous and slicks never broke it,
I have the same in my 69 442 tough as nails the muncie weather it is a m22 rockcrusher or the reg m21 the main case flexes and you break gears
I have the same in my 69 442 tough as nails the muncie weather it is a m22 rockcrusher or the reg m21 the main case flexes and you break gears
February 8th, 2013, 05:40 PM
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February 9th, 2013, 07:13 AM
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Autogear does make stronger Muncies. The nickel gear Super T10 is hard to find; I bought one in 1978 with 2.88 first gear (AS10T10Y) and still have it.
Among OEM trannies, the Ford Top Loader was probably the strongest while still being easy to shift. It has an all iron case so is heavy, and longer than a Muncie.
Today all these are eclipsed by the Jerico and G-Force. For street-strip, I like the Jerico with road race sliders so it can be easily up- and down-shifted and will stay in gear. You can order your Jerico 3" longer than the early Muncie (2.5" longer than the late Muncies and aftermarket Super T10s), and use a shorter driveshaft for higher critical speed. Jericos take 4 bolt mounting plates for the shifter; I made mine out of aluminum plate. The tail housing has bolt holes all the way down the tail housing so you can put the shifter anywhere.
With the Ford tranny, you want one out of a Fairlane with the shifter holes at the front of the tail housing; Mustangs put the shifter too far back.
Among OEM trannies, the Ford Top Loader was probably the strongest while still being easy to shift. It has an all iron case so is heavy, and longer than a Muncie.
Today all these are eclipsed by the Jerico and G-Force. For street-strip, I like the Jerico with road race sliders so it can be easily up- and down-shifted and will stay in gear. You can order your Jerico 3" longer than the early Muncie (2.5" longer than the late Muncies and aftermarket Super T10s), and use a shorter driveshaft for higher critical speed. Jericos take 4 bolt mounting plates for the shifter; I made mine out of aluminum plate. The tail housing has bolt holes all the way down the tail housing so you can put the shifter anywhere.
With the Ford tranny, you want one out of a Fairlane with the shifter holes at the front of the tail housing; Mustangs put the shifter too far back.
February 9th, 2013, 07:17 AM
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BTW, the Jerico design is based on the Ford with the Phalanx face plates that were introduced in the 1970s. You can use a Ford type aftermarket shifter, or get a Long shifter from Jerico--it is basically a race version copy of the Mr. Gasket (later called Hurst V-gate 2) vertical gate. I like the vertical gate, even on the street.
The G-force looks more like a Muncie with side plate.
The G-force looks more like a Muncie with side plate.
February 15th, 2013, 09:20 PM
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I have three friends running big block chebbies with the Chrysler A833 and they beat on them a lot! Coming out of the hole at 6800 + rpms, wheels up and they have had zero problems. They also run Strange Super 60 Dana rear axles. These are street cars and the A833 drives around town like OE, smooth shifts. We have talked about this a lot and a lot of the other "race" transmissions are not as street friendly. Oh and they run high 10's, low 11's if that helps.
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February 16th, 2013, 07:02 AM
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I have three friends running big block chebbies with the Chrysler A833 and they beat on them a lot! Coming out of the hole at 6800 + rpms, wheels up and they have had zero problems. They also run Strange Super 60 Dana rear axles. These are street cars and the A833 drives around town like OE, smooth shifts. We have talked about this a lot and a lot of the other "race" transmissions are not as street friendly. Oh and they run high 10's, low 11's if that helps.
February 16th, 2013, 07:10 AM
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I talked to the guy at auto gear yesterday. They are now out of the overdrive four speed scene.
They told me to talk to the 833 guys. here is a link
https://www.passonperformance.com/
They told me to talk to the 833 guys. here is a link
https://www.passonperformance.com/
February 16th, 2013, 08:30 AM
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At the risk of ticking off the hard core Olds guys, here is the A833 history.
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmis...ed-manual.html
I think it is OK to put it in an Olds, but not the pistol grip shifter.
Do some searching the info is out there somewhere
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmis...ed-manual.html
I think it is OK to put it in an Olds, but not the pistol grip shifter.
Do some searching the info is out there somewhere
February 16th, 2013, 09:43 AM
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Autogear does make stronger Muncies. The nickel gear Super T10 is hard to find; I bought one in 1978 with 2.88 first gear (AS10T10Y) and still have it.
Among OEM trannies, the Ford Top Loader was probably the strongest while still being easy to shift. It has an all iron case so is heavy, and longer than a Muncie.
Today all these are eclipsed by the Jerico and G-Force. For street-strip, I like the Jerico with road race sliders so it can be easily up- and down-shifted and will stay in gear. You can order your Jerico 3" longer than the early Muncie (2.5" longer than the late Muncies and aftermarket Super T10s), and use a shorter driveshaft for higher critical speed. Jericos take 4 bolt mounting plates for the shifter; I made mine out of aluminum plate. The tail housing has bolt holes all the way down the tail housing so you can put the shifter anywhere.
With the Ford tranny, you want one out of a Fairlane with the shifter holes at the front of the tail housing; Mustangs put the shifter too far back.
Among OEM trannies, the Ford Top Loader was probably the strongest while still being easy to shift. It has an all iron case so is heavy, and longer than a Muncie.
Today all these are eclipsed by the Jerico and G-Force. For street-strip, I like the Jerico with road race sliders so it can be easily up- and down-shifted and will stay in gear. You can order your Jerico 3" longer than the early Muncie (2.5" longer than the late Muncies and aftermarket Super T10s), and use a shorter driveshaft for higher critical speed. Jericos take 4 bolt mounting plates for the shifter; I made mine out of aluminum plate. The tail housing has bolt holes all the way down the tail housing so you can put the shifter anywhere.
With the Ford tranny, you want one out of a Fairlane with the shifter holes at the front of the tail housing; Mustangs put the shifter too far back.
February 25th, 2013, 08:12 AM
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Yes, Passon Performance is the place to get the adapter plate. Use the Olds blow proof and the adapter bolts to the bell housing. You have to have a ring to shim the front bearing hub to make it fit the GM bell housing opening. The yoke on the transmission end is different if I remember correctly and get the m*par hurst shifter and linkage of choice. I don't think the cross member mod are a big deal either. I hope this helps.
I do know there are two different A833's, the HEMI version is the strongest and of course most expensive
My buddy told me that Passon Performance is developing a 5 speed overdrive based on the A833 and it should be really strong and very streetable. All you will need is lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$
I do know there are two different A833's, the HEMI version is the strongest and of course most expensive
My buddy told me that Passon Performance is developing a 5 speed overdrive based on the A833 and it should be really strong and very streetable. All you will need is lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$
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