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I’m not a racer and I don’t typically build anything other than mild street performance engines.
You crucified Velcro on ROP years ago for posting cyl head pics from Harold Bettes’ book and passing them off as his own and now you’re collaborating with him on this? The two of you are racers, I’m not. You’re telling me I’ll have the same level of input? I beg to differ. Thanks for the invite though. However I’m not interested.
Its no secret we weld heads in my shop, many of Harold's pictures for his books were taken in my shops. You seem very angry tonight. Speaking of Harold, heres a picture of Harold doing what he likes best-analyzing data.
That’s because you’d get blocked there in a minute for the stunts you pull here.
FB is a worldwide social media platform. But the amazing thing is you almost NEVER see anybody post a negative comment on someone else’s build. And I’ve yet to see anyone there ask for time slip for validation on ANYBODY’S builds.
Ricksw30, btw where’s your time slip?
Yet you recently said on here you’ve called out Trovato on Facebook about his dyno data..
Why won’t you be allowing the same thing when you go to Facebook?
you’ve been hounding Trovato about his dyno data for 15 years that I know of…on ROP, on here and now on Facebook.
Yet you recently said on here you’ve called out Trovato on Facebook about his dyno data..
Why won’t you be allowing the same thing when you go to Facebook?
You’ve been hounding Trovato about his dyno data for 15 years that I know of…on ROP, on here and now on Facebook.
Dale, you apparently didn’t read my entire post. I “called him out” on FB because he posted two Dyno sheets FROM THE SAME BUILD that were significantly different. I asked why. He responded by saying he entered the wrong parameters on one of the pulls. Kudos to him for that clarification, and I told him so. Some here critique me for the same, soooo I can’t do the same when it’s a legitimate question?
In addition a few here have made a big deal about this topic. It’s very simple, he posts pulls done at 130* for a STREET BUILD. When is a street build going to run at that temp for any length of time? Never.
Conversely he posted an alcohol build done at 160* or better. Hmmm…… In case you don’t know, those are the best conditions for each of those builds.
And I haven’t been “hounding” him for 15 years on this, a fraction of that at best.
I’m tired of explaining myself on this topic. This is it.
Last edited by cutlassefi; Jul 29, 2022 at 04:16 PM.
Dale, you apparently didn’t read my entire post. I “called him out” on FB because he posted two Dyno sheets FROM THE SAME BUILD that were significantly different. I asked why. He responded by saying he entered the wrong parameters on one of the pulls. Kudos to him for that clarification, and I told him so. Some here critique me for the same, soooo I can’t do the same when it’s a legitimate question?
In addition a few here have made a big deal about this topic. It’s very simple, he posts pulls done at 130* for a STREET BUILD. When is a street build going to run at that temp for any length of time? Never.
Conversely he posted an alcohol build done at 160* or better. Hmmm…… In case you don’t know, those are the best conditions for each of those builds.
And I haven’t been “hounding” him for 15 years on this, a fraction of that at best.
I’m tired of explaining myself on this topic. This is it.
I don't think this will be the last we hear from you on this subject.....
Dale, you apparently didn’t read my entire post. I “called him out” on FB because he posted two Dyno sheets FROM THE SAME BUILD that were significantly different. I asked why. He responded by saying he entered the wrong parameters on one of the pulls. Kudos to him for that clarification, and I told him so. Some here critique me for the same, soooo I can’t do the same when it’s a legitimate question?
In addition a few here have made a big deal about this topic. It’s very simple, he posts pulls done at 130* for a STREET BUILD. When is a street build going to run at that temp for any length of time? Never.
Conversely he posted an alcohol build done at 160* or better. Hmmm…… In case you don’t know, those are the best conditions for each of those builds.
And I haven’t been “hounding” him for 15 years on this, a fraction of that at best.
I’m tired of explaining myself on this topic. This is it.
what a load of crap..you’ve been on him for years
he doesn’t give a crap..but when someone asks you about your dyno info, you lose it
the fact you said you’re going to Facebook where you’ll not allow any comments, yet comment on his build there, and call him out, is hypocritical.
Don't know the flow, what do you think I can get reasonably, if I do this I need to do the whole thing and race it in 3 weeks time. Lets just say 275 @ 28 @ .550 lift? I have the intake.
Aren't we all pretty well working with the same parameters? It seems that everyone knows the limitations. There are low key builders out there that know how to make the architectural aspects of an Olds work. They all have different ways. I'd recommend Trimble to anyone. Look up TR Performance in Beltsville, MD. Milan (don't even know his real name) in Ohio makes stupid power. Chad is right there with him. What happened to Dave the Freak? They're out there.
Don't know the flow, what do you think I can get reasonably, if I do this I need to do the whole thing and race it in 3 weeks time. Lets just say 275 @ 28 @ .550 lift? I have the intake.
What ever I come up with it needs to run quicker than Rallye69, should be a very strait forward build. I'd like to have you port the heads to keep it simple but you can imagine the problems I'd get on here over that, better keep it all in house LOL. Your input along with Battenrunners would be greatly appreciated though!
What ever I come up with it needs to run quicker than Rallye69, should be a very strait forward build. I'd like to have you port the heads to keep it simple but you can imagine the problems I'd get on here over that, better keep it all in house LOL. Your input along with Battenrunners would be greatly appreciated though!
Find yourself a .921” lifter block. That would be my starting point if it’s a flat tappet your set on.
We will see if this bares fruit & I'm still of the opinion it won't. If it does it will still be a cluster.
I would enjoy seeing some builders put up some fresh builds for this contest. Especially those able to get the engine into a car to help show real world power on track.
Do you think you will be personally able to add a build to the list?
I would enjoy seeing some builders put up some fresh builds for this contest. Especially those able to get the engine into a car to help show real world power on track.
Do you think you will be personally able to add a build to the list?
If you're asking me if I will add a build,then the answer is no I will not. I am retired with nothing to prove and I'm just giving my opinion of the subject. I think I remember Dale-GM ROCKET/CANADIANOLDS from ROP and he's sharp on engines as I remember. If I'm wrong please correct me.
If you tell me it it will be on the up and up with no arguing,bitching or some other nonsense,have @ it.
The arguing and bitching starts when someone gets but hurt. I'm quite sure if Mark or Dale ran the show it would be straight up! For those that think they can run with two top notch engine builds here is your chance.
It would be pointless for me to enter as it would be above my engine building knowledge base.I read a very interesting post where a class racer used all the same parts for an engine build that a top tier engine builder used yet was way down on HP/TQ.
This would be a great opportunity for the other Mark to showcase his engine building skill set.
The arguing and bitching starts when someone gets but hurt. I'm quite sure if Mark or Dale ran the show it would be straight up! For those that think they can run with two top notch engine builds here is your chance.
It would be pointless for me to enter as it would be above my engine building knowledge base.I read a very interesting post where a class racer used all the same parts for an engine build that a top tier engine builder used yet was way down on HP/TQ.
This would be a great opportunity for the other Mark to showcase his engine building skill set.
Originally Posted by cutlassefiView Post
""I’m not a racer and I don’t typically build anything other than mild street performance engines"".
Not sure I get that point you are saying? If he is not building race engines. Many great Olds race engine builders, not even on CO. Many on Facebook with very stout Olds race engines. Not doubting Mark or Dale engine building ability and others on CO. Even some NASCAR guys working on Olds engine on Facebook. Who know how to get the most, out of a engine. CO is a small pond, to be the biggest fish in it.
If you're asking me if I will add a build,then the answer is no I will not. I am retired with nothing to prove and I'm just giving my opinion of the subject. I think I remember Dale-GM ROCKET/CANADIANOLDS from ROP and he's sharp on engines as I remember. If I'm wrong please correct me.
I was asking if you would add a build, as I think you would bring something interesting with your knowledge and wisdom.
I do understand there is nothing to prove for you, and I don’t know if this contest is for proving who is the best as much as just showing all the different combinations and alternate ways to build power by each builder.
I especially enjoy the far ends of the spectrum of builds; on one end, the max effort build with virtually all production based block and heads (although modified and ported), using aftermarket rods, pistons, and valvetrain parts with a cast aftermarket intake. On the other end of the spectrum, I enjoy the completely crazy money aftermarket builds with rocket blocks, huge aftermarket heads, custom valve trains and rare cast aftermarket or fabricated intakes.
In between these are the aftermarket headed mild builds that may or may not be impressive for the HP per dollar aspect, depending on the combination.
Originally Posted by cutlassefiView Post
""I’m not a racer and I don’t typically build anything other than mild street performance engines"".
Not sure I get that point you are saying? If he is not building race engines. Many great Olds race engine builders, not even on CO. Many on Facebook with very stout Olds race engines. Not doubting Mark or Dale engine building ability and others on CO. Even some NASCAR guys working on Olds engine on Facebook. Who know how to get the most, out of a engine. CO is a small pond, to be the biggest fish in it.
Just think about it he could then post his results on facebook or not.
If you tell me it it will be on the up and up with no arguing,bitching or some other nonsense,have @ it.
I would say most of the online trash talk isnt
really trash talk…it’s people twisting things around in their own imagination into something it isn’t.
ROP was the worst for that…guys would literally have nervous breakdowns on there over a perceived slight…
what’s funny is when the big Olds drag race and swap meet happened in Norwalk, those same guys were there, racing each other, shooting the breeze , having beers and having a big BBQ I took my car many times,, never once did I see a fight or argument break out.
A lot of cars showed up there to race , some grudge races happened,, nobody got shot or was accused of cheating. Three days together and the world didn’t come to an end.
that’s reality…not this online stuff here.
this is from Norwalk
Last edited by CANADIANOLDS; Aug 2, 2022 at 06:28 AM.
That's true about the racing at Norwalk and such. But trust me some guys would keep their distance from one another. Some guys got so nervous and riled up they misspelled simple words like T-shirt.
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I agree with Dale. TOO often the "typed" word is mistaken for what was really ment to be. Ya'all are grown damn men, act like it. So what if someone says something negative? If you can't say it to there face, don't TYPE it. If there is a problem, USE the PM system can hash it out. Might not work and sometimes some people just don't get along. If you post your results, expect to get critiqued. Hell we had people jump up and down over some of our results? Ok now problem, WHO CARES. BUT then the car might not ET well, but does MPH to back up our claims. Like our 427 Z06 Ls 'Vettes. We say with OEM intake and make 800+ Hp with a full rebuild and Port or aftermarket heads and cam change. Cars run low 10's @ 3600. No where NEAR 800Hp, but what does the 142 MPH @ 3600 mean????? People are sceptics, so be it.
Now as for my OLDS. I have MY plan that works FOR ME and my family. I WANT a easy full driver that runs LOW 11's. I'm here to learn about OLDS stuff and listen to what some of the others, who have been doing OLDS longer have found and are will to pass on. BOTH Marks, CUTLASS EFI and VORTECPRO are smart people. Dale, CANADIANOLDS is up there to I have found out, PLUS local to me. Once I get more of a FINALIZED game plan, will be moving forward and talking probably to ALL 3.
That's true about the racing at Norwalk and such. But trust me some guys would keep their distance from one another. Some guys got so nervous and riled up they misspelled simple words like T-shirt.
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Could have sworn I saw that gold 442 dialed in at 13.99..............LOL
