I am beginning to honestly hate all the hate going on here myself, constructive criticism is one thing, but it seems certain members go out of there way to diss/troll what we do to our cars. Me personally i give mad props to people who do things differently to their cars, whether it be LSX swap or painting their motor to something different. Maybe its my kinda young age or maybe its cause i am against conformity somewhat, but rock the **** on people with your mods and dont let people change your mind about how to do your car. Like i said in my youtube video i just posted, if you want it done your way buy your own car and do it all you want, this is not your car so we do what we want....

Sorry end of rant, just hate the negativity over and over is all....

You are damn straight i wouldnt hesitate to throw in an LSX into my H/O

 

GO SICKY GO SICKY I will say this I would love to see that thread

would love to se some one do a ls retro paint gold or blue or read depending
on displacement do a carb conversion with a OAI set up and some cool retro
styled valve covers clean wire and DROP the HAMMER.

 

Lol. I just spent enough money redoing my 455 fire frost. But I didn't paint it red though lol

 

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/p...x?projectid=15
This is what im talking about clean mean and very new school I wonder what happened to the twin turbo shot ?

A sick looking 68 or 69 H/o this would make

 

http://www.autokraft.org/gallery/70gsx/ another fine car.

 

The difference between NET and GROSS power is definatly noticeable, but dont forget, GM severely under-rated their muscle cars, so i wouldnt be surprised if the NET power didnt turn out to be close to what the GROSS said just because GM was never legit about their power output in the first place. That being said though im not really for or against any of this swap stuff, if you want it do it, if you dont, dont. I have an Olds 455 im rebuilding right now and yeah ive considered parting it out and starting fresh with an LS motor (which i might still do) i just have a few things that would bug me.

1st I dont want to sacrifice torque, Olds 455s are torque monsters and i love torque so it sounds like an amazing combination
2nd Ive never really liked the sound of LS motors, they sound kinda tinny to me and dont have that meaty, earth shaking rumble of a big block

HOWEVER, that being said id still very much love to do a swap because i know 4th gen Z28s/TAs are real screamers but i just dont love the body, put that drivetrain in a Cutlass/442 and wow...thats something to drool over...a car that can compete realisticly with modern performance cars and still looks 100 times better than anything else on the road, gets WAY better mileage than it used too, way more reliable (especially with the notorious Olds oiling issue), higher revving, easier to work with (parts are more than plentiful and manual swaps are waayy easier than that drilling the crank stuff Olds puts you through), its just a great thing to consider.

Here's my final oppinion, if you have an original numbers matching car thats actually worth a damn (a numbers matching 74' Olds 88 with a 350 rocket and 350 transmission is seriously nothing to be bragging about, sure its numbers matching but...yeahhh...) then by all means keep it numbers matching, more power to you, we need those examples of original cars so we can look back and say "this is what it was like back then". But if you have a 71' Cutlass S with a non original motor, hell yeah, go for a swap. No matter what you put in it the motor WILL be a swapped motor, so it doesnt matter at that point. And actually if you do go with an LS you'll get to enjoy it more because you'll have better mileage and might actually get to drive it daily (which personally i respect a LOT more than having a Cutlass with a 455 that sits in the garage 355 days a year, these cars desirve to be on the road, not babied in some garage somewhere only used for bragging rights. Its a high performance car, not a lawn ornament).

...jeese, i think i just convinced myself to do an LS swap >.< damnit...lmao...we'll see


PS: I didnt see this was 3 pages long, excuse the first paragraph responding to a 1st page post xD

 

Do you see the light!!!!


Yes, I see the light!! I see the light!!!!





Your post just echoed my exact sentiments. Good luck with your choice.

 

"Fix the cigarette lighter."

- Eric

 

HAHAHAHA, XD
Thats awsome, i love Blues Brothers
Dont bring up the fact that they drive a Mopar though or some people might...
OOPS! >.<
we're in for it now...
LOL

Hey, not to hijack the thread or anything, but has anyone here messed with an E85 conversion? (for either Olds or non-Olds), i recently discovered a station that sells E85 near me and wanna boost compression through the roof for my Cutlass project (be it the 455 i have now or an LS motor) and E85 would allow me to boost the compression to rediculous, and awsome, levels (like 13:1 ^.^).
I just hope people dont stone me to death for running anything other than gasoline in an Olds, i can see it now "Olds motors werent built for anything but gasoline so they shouldnt RUN anything but gasoline!" haha

 

Yeah it took me a second to recall the lighter comment.
My LS conversion was an L59 flex fuel engine. I just would have needed the fuel composition sensor to get it to work. The other issues were corrosion resistant tank, fuel lines, and fuel rail. IMHO, not worth the effort to get 10-20% lower fuel milage.
BTW, 07 up dont use the fuel sensor. The ecu and bcm figure out what's in the tank by figuring out you filled up and looking at the O2 sensor signal. Probably too complicated for a conversion.
I think the big hp gains and increased hp you're referring to with alcohol are with 100% methanol.

 

Thanks for the info, yeah pretty sure id try it with the 455 im rebuilding if i did it, the LS motors are pretty complicated and id rather rebuild one properly before trying anything exotic like this. Honestly the idea behind it wouldnt be to get better economy (mileage is worse but price is better, none of that matters to me though) the real reason id run it is because it would allow me to run very high compression and also because id like to show the nay-sayers that it can be done without killing a classic car. The idea of running a high octange fuel at a cheaper price than regular unleaded is pretty enticing (so i guess price does play a role after all, but i figure if id have to run premium on lower compression already why not go that extra step? Plus itd be that much more unique on top of that, hell maybe id end up with some useful info to share with the class haha)

 

Keep in mind E85 is formulated to only about 92 octane. You're not going to run a 13:1 engine on that.
100% methanol and LPG are around 110 octane and you get about a $3k tax credit for those swaps. You'll probably have to buy methanol in a 55 gallon drum, but there are some LPG fueling stations around.

 

... And then have a nice talk with the FBI.

- Eric

 

E85 is 105 octane, methonal is a completely different fuel with completely different characteristics (which are usually confused with ethanol, or mistakenly applied to ethanol), itd be a whole different build for that. i know all about E85 already and am really into it, i was just interested in if anyone has tried it in an Olds yet

However i have found a guy that is building a Pontiac 455 for it and have been discussing it with him and how to do it in my Olds, from all my research it seems like a really simple swap (at least for carb motors), a new carb (optimized for E85) and a new fuel system (only to make sure its absolutly clean) and that should be all thats needed. I'll keep everyone updated on where my E85 455 project goes. Probly open a thread about the build once it gets on its feet

thanks guys

 

I see no real benefit to e85 except in a race car situation where you don't care about ecomomy at all. It works well in non intercooled turbo cars because it brings intake temps down so far.

 

I know ethanol is around 110 octane too. I just never understood why they list it in the low 90s on the pumps. What's the real story? It's hard to believe adding 15% anything could lower the rating that much.

 

Sad you would do that to such a cool rare CLASSIC OLDSMOBILE

 

would make a sweet License plate though lol LSX HO

 

but what you did to a cool olds is different how ,I see tubs and scoops and maybe a tube front end is it any different to add a ls to a olds than to put a roll bar and cut up the frame and cut up the innards and run the **** out of it ?

If people throw a ls in a few a body cars will it not save a few 88 and the likes from having there harts ripped out to showcase clone w-30's or dragon wagons? The older I get the more I come to like the vistas , 88, delmont's
let's save a few of them too


By the way your silver car looks bad *** and i bet you have a TON
of time and money and blood in it.

 

lol, well in my eyes i love the LS swaps. Id do it to any GM car. Camaro, Chevelle, Corvette (now the taboo ones) Cutlass, Skylark, GTO, Firebird, etc. It just keeps them on the road. LS motors are fun when you want to drive your car to more than just a show. If I put a lot of time and money and love and care into restoring an amazing car like a Cutlass or 442 id be pissed if i only ever got to drive it down the block to show it off cause id get low teens on the highway if that.

Either way, not really a point in arguing it, i mean if someone's gonna do the swap they're gonna do the swap. Making points for or against it online isnt going to sway anyones oppinion. Obviously everyone commenting has chosen a side already so why debate? LS guys arent gonna go "hm, i never thought of it like that, that changes my ENTIRE point of view!", same goes for the traditionalists, no LS guys are going to change their point of view either. Might as well just leave it be as an LS swap thread, no good will come of complaining about it lol

 

x2

 

Everyone concentrates on the octane rating of the ethanol which is only half of the data. Have a look at the BTU rating of ethanol.

Gasoline has a BTU rating between 112,500 - 114,000 per gallon depending on the time of year and blend.

Ethanol has a BTU rating of 76,100 per gallon.

LPG has a BTU rating of approx 91,600 per gallon.

Lower BTU = less power and worse fuel efficiency for the same ammount of fuel.

Not sure why anyone would waste the time and money converting everything over to ethanol when you could get the same results from LPG for less money and the infrastructure is already in place for refueling vehicles.

 

Not to dig up dead threads or anything but the lower BTUs is why Ethanol uses 20% more fuel than gas. Thats all that is, its not tacked on on top of the 20% greater consumption its the reason for it. I think its interesting because its an American made renewable fuel that is cleaner than gasoline. I preffer American made to Middle Eastern. Also Im interested in exactly how much more fuel would be consumed in real world driving by swapping a BBO over to E85, because it can run at 13:1 compression (it can run higher but this is the number id keep it at to be safe) and it does so much cooler and keeps your motor much cleaner. Id think that with the power gained from the 3 points of compression over a Premium fueled gasoline BBO you would get a monsterous torque boost which would allow you to drop the gear ratio to a rediculously low number without hurting performance and that alone would save you a lot on highway mileage. I actually wouldnt be surprised if the 20% greater fuel consumption could be nullified by adding a much lower gear ratio. And if that alone didnt completely make up the difference than the 80 or so cent difference between Premium and E85 should definatly get you there

To be fair though, unless you were planning to run 13:1 or so compression i would agree with you, converting to E85 isnt going to do anything for your motor except get you worse mileage (not that that matters in a big block but still). The only reasons i could possibly see for it in a stock compression motor would be that its cleaner on your motor and that its american made. Both of which arent huge deal breakers though. And typically running 13:1 compression requires so much work that the average enthusiest most likely wouldnt want it anyway

 

Been gone awhile.........Olds Power baby........lol

 

Its not a enviromental friendly fuel. Its takes more energy to produce than you get out of it not to mention the little problem of trading fuel for food.
If it was not for the subsidies in the ethanol industry it would not exhist.
Its a great pipe dream as a way off middle east oil but to power the USA automotive fleet you would need over 3 acres of corn per car on the road.

 

This is the brute truth of the matter.
E85 is a complete waste of money, and taxpayer forced subsidation.

The corn industry has a HEAVY HEAVY lobbying hand in Washington DC and it's
one of the WORST corporate welfare scams in the country. Look up Archer Daniels Midland......a case in corporate welfare. Unreal......
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-241.html

This all started with the Sugar tariff's imposed by Reagan and his cronies to get their kickbacks after the oil embargo/crisis.
Sugar Ethanol that Brazil started producing became a threat to BIG OIL. It led to the rise of the Corn lobbying industry to lock
out sugar and create High Fructose Corn Syrup (which is responsible for many diabetics today)

HFCS is absorbed way too fast into our bloodsteams and shocks our pancreas to create insulin faster.
This and then they found a way to create fuel out of it, and now we're hooked for life on MASSIVE socialized corporate welfare for the corn lobby group.

 

I like the LS swap and belive it's a big part of the hot rod culture. The feat alone is one to test even the most exprienced do it yourself gearheads. It's fun and adds to the excitement of doing something different to a car to make it do something it wasn't made to. I don't think it's any different than building a custom center console, or making a clone out of a non 442. Kudos to any guy that has the ***** to wake up one day and say " I'm gonna pull the engine out of this and put it in that and make it cool" wether it is or isn't is beside the point. The numbers correct thing is fun too but the majority of regular wrenches can't afford those types of restorations. Something like this is like your wife getting a boob job, sure you love her old ***** but they are fifty year old ***** and new ones are a little more exciting to you. But hey some guys like old ***** too.

 

I disagree. None of my research has had anything to do with politics and honestly all the naysaying just makes me want to build my BBO for E85 even more. I'm tired of everyone reading propaganda and taking it as gospel when 90% of it has nothing to do with E85. Besides that, I can make a much larger argument again gasoline on a political basis than can be made with ethanol. But politics shouldn't be an issue on these forums plus as everyone has proven before all it takes is a non-fact based "not true" to disprove it anyway so it makes no difference. For now my BBO is going to take a conservative route for its rebuild but i'll be looking for another to rebuild just to prove what is fact and what is complete myth on this fuel with a carb motor

And I feel like ive hijacked this thread lol, I need to drop the subject so it can get back to LS motors xD sorry guys

 

Actually I was thinking along the same lines with propane.... Very high compression, advanced cam, very low rear end. It's 110 octane, produced here (mostly), and probably more available than e85.
Plus you can get up to a $4000 tax credit for the conversion.

 

I prefer all the parts to be OEM, myself.

New plastic parts just feel wrong .

NOW, this thread is hijacked!

- Eric

 

I agree with you for the most part MDchanic, however would you make an acception if the car was just a roller? Thats one of the bigger things that got me accepting LS swaps, most of the guys that swap those motors in didnt have a motor/tranny in their car when they got it. In that case more power to em'. Me however, i preffer a big, brutey, carburated gas guzzling, "sledgehammer approach", torque monster big block haha

 

I agree, Vega, but I was talking about boob jobs .

- Eric

 

Oldsmobiles are GM cars, and Gen III IV's are GM too, I say why not...., some jackass changed out my OLDs original engine with a different year anyway, so for me, I'd have no originality to lose. Just sayin'

 

If you want chebby power, buy a chebby car.
seams they take the cheap way, buy the Olds for cheap and stick chebby in, so they can be a wana-b-chebby. it is an Oldsmobile not an Olds-rolet.

Gene

 

Note: 2 year old thread.

- Eric

 

Gene, let's not dredge this argument up again.

 

Sorrrrry.... Ill have to remember to not comment on posts over lets say, 30 days? 60?
This topic is a hot one yes. But I needed to weigh in on it, since its revelant to me. In the future, when I want to go back and read what someone said, It'll be easier to find, now that I gave my 2 cents. Have a good day

 

We all have opinions, and some will agree to disagree. We just need to keep the discussion respectful and civil. We can all agree, we all are after one thing, to keep them on the road and enjoy them.

 

I am pretty much a purist but on a lot of these cars that are plan janes or have no engine to begin with, I say go for it. If you want new technology this is the way to go since there are no current Olds engines. These are GM engines and if they were making decent Oldsmobiles today, this is the engine they would have. If it were a Ford or Chrysler engine it would be another story. Just my 2 cents.