Ah few pics!

 

more....

 

Looking good man!!! Fire that puppy up

 

Looks great and I bet it's gonna sound good too?

 

Varoom, Varrooom!!!! lets hear it run. Congrats loolds great.

 

What are the specs on the KB pistons? Those just look so puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurdy!!!

 

svnt i'll get you the specs on the pistons. I do know the kb's are a little bit bigger than the common 4.156(i think thats correct), 30 over bore.

Summit Racing Part NumberUEM-KB886-030 Bore (in)4.156 in.Bore (mm)105.562mmPiston StyleFlat top, with two valve reliefsPiston MaterialForged aluminumCompression Distance (in)1.750 in.Piston Head Volume (cc)+14.40ccWrist Pin StylePress-fit or floatingPin Diameter (in)0.981 in.Piston Ring Thickness1/16 in. x 1/16 in. x 3/16 in.QuantitySold as a set of 8.NotesPiston weight 557g, pin weight 163g.



Hopefully this weekend i'll be getting my exhuast completed and my headers worked on!

 

looking very good!!the day I set mine back in the hole was very exciting!
the wife wanted to be there when it fired the first time and dummie me had explained that would get the puff of smoke from assembly lube etc.and the smoke and smell of fresh paint cooking inI dropped it in that evening got it hooked up and ready to fire and she was working
I almost cheated her and fired it but waited till the next day when she was there!of coarse had the timing a little off and blew a fireball skyward,adjusted and it fired like I just like I went out to a daily driver ready to head home!Was open header and sounded great!!of coarse her best memory of the new life was the fireball

 

F/sure, nothing like firing an engine up f/ the first time, and especially a performance job. The engine looks beautiful! Best of luck w/ the entire ride. From 1st. hand experience; Don't let it get out of your sight/hands.
Not prying, but a ballpark figure, what kind of dollar amount did the engine set you back? Just "parts" and "Machine work," these 2 catagories together only. If you don't mind.
After doing my homework, right after I purchased the '71 Olds 98 that my engine came out of, I came to the conclusion that the 455 CAN be built quite healthy f/ a reasonable price if you turn the wrenches yourself, which is the ONLY way I've ever gone anyway. I'm basing this on the use of factory heads, which you've done. (When you go to aluminum heads, ofcourse the price sky-rockets due not only to the cost of the heads, but also the appropriate hardware needed to adapt and get the most out of the heads.) The oil pan looks great, and now, unlike my past/original thoughts, IMO is the way to go. I was going w/ the restrictors, windage tray and pump, but wasn't sure about going w/ a bigger pan until the Popular Hot Rodding article link was posted by Joe P. which convinced me to go w/ the whole oiling system package.

I see that you mentioned getting your headers worked on. Did you have any clearance problems w/ the headers fitting, ie; around the starter? When I pulled the engine out of the '71 98, I saw that the starter was in a "very tight" spot, and w/ a heat shield over it no less, ofcourse the manifold has the down-turn f/ the head-pipe right on top of the starter, and the starter is almost invisible due to it being covered up completely by the exhaust manifold/head-pipe. (It was all original, no headers or anything else, it had never been touched since the car was originally mfgd..) I didn't even take the nuts off to remove the starter wires, I just cut the wires a short distance back from the starter so they have room to be spliced. What a tight fit. W/ headers, I'd think the starter could possibly play a roll in a "hell to deal w/" situation LOL!!! I'm installing a Toyota power steering box in my '62 Ford pick-up, as I'm keeping the original straight axle and want a "tight operating" power box that'll mount easily and will fit the original shaft hole in the frame to fit/use the original pitman arm from the '62. I know that the Toyota box is slightly wider than the original, and w/ the box, starter, and headers, I may have alittle fitting work to do. There's plenty of room under the hood, and I'm using the aftermarket crossmember f/ the motor mounts, but that one particular space (where the three items bolt up) may be tight, also due to my wanting to mount the engine as low in the frame and as close to the fire wall as possible. I'm sure I can make it work, it's just one of the many challenges of a proper engine swap/fit. I am in the process of looking f/ a set of fender-well headers f/ it (w/ no luck so far)which will eliminate 1/3rd. of the problem. My reason f/ the fender-well headers has nothing to do w/ the space problem, and everything to do w/ the "gasser" style I want f/ the truck.

I'll be watching f/ the remainder of your project and am looking foreward to see how it runs. Again, "beautiful job." Best of luck w/ it. Please keep us informed.

Question: Does anyone know where I can get a set of "the old Olds valve covers that have the wire loom on them" that fit the 455? Under the topic: "Just Scored a 1950 98 Futurmatic," the pic of the engine in that car was posted and shows/has a set of the valve covers I'm referring to. They have the wire loom built onto the face or the cover and it says, "Oldsmobile Rocket." If anyone knows anything, Please let me know. Thanks in advance.

 

Its funny you asked about the valve covers. I just ran across this site the other day. I think these only fit chevys but i didn't look over the entire site....http://www.shiny-hiney.com/rocket.html

the headers i have route outside the frame. I'm simply having them cut to be kept inside the frame and away from my front tires. As far as fitting around the starter i shouldn't have a problem but i know it'll be tight. I just put the starter on yesterday so i won't know exactly how tight of a fit it'll be until i have my pipes done. But i plan on putting a heat sheild on it and i'm wrapping the headers for additional heat reduction.

I'ld say ruffly all the parts that you see ran me about $1650.00. Labor ran about $600

Thanks jim i'll try and keep this thread with some up to date pics. Keep looking back though because it should be running by mid March.

 

Charlie Brown,
Are you telling me that you have "fender well" headers? The ones that go into the fender well next to the tire? If so, they're the ones that I want f/ my pick-up.
The heat shield is a good idea, like the original stock one, and f/ sure the header wrap. I'm going to use the wrap also, it is a good idea, and in that old truck I have, It'll help w/ the heat in the cab also. Ofcourse insulation on the fire wall and floor board will be important, especially in the summer.
The money you spent on the engine is really reasonable. F/ a healthy 455, you can't go wrong f/ that price. Being a Chevy guy f/ ever, I'm really looking foreward to taring into this 455. This is such a different engine, and at almost 53 years old, I'm actually excited about this build. I have to admit, that I do get excited about a good performance engine build. Like I had said, firing an engine up f/ the first time is very exciting, but the sad part is that the build itself is over with. It's somewhat of a disappointment, even though you have it to drive afterward. I'm going to get some hardened bolts in the morning to mount the engine to the stand. I'm taking the tranny off the engine tonight. I really need to get on the hunt f/ an Olds machinist. I'm taking no chances w/ this engine. I'm going to scribe the block and heads in certain places to ensure that I get the same block and heads back that I turn in, and will let the machinist know that they're marked. These days, people are so unethical, really plain dishonest infact. I'll get in no rush to find someone good, and honest.
I'll be checking back to see how things are going f/ sure. I'll be into my 455 by then, and will post my happenings as well.
Just checked out the site that you posted the link f/, and the valve covers are f/ SBCs. I saw that same thing in Rodding Magazine. I'd go w/ the stockers, but in my old truck, I would like the looks of the older Rocket valve covers.
I like the choice you made on the Demon. I've used Demons on SBCs in the past, and they're the best IMO. I like the 850 Demon on the 383 (350 w/ the 3.75" stroke crank). IMO, the only thing better than the Demon is FI. I think they're worth the money. Initally, I was going to try out the Q-jet on the 455. I never liked them, but some guys on here were praising the Q-jet and I though that maybe it was worth a try. But now, w/ the recent discussions we've had on here, I'm going w/ the Demon again. I'm going to give the Q-jet a try first, and then see what a difference the Demon makes over it. No, I'm not knocking the Q-jet. To each his own.
I had to post the pics of the stater being in such a tight spot, it's crazy, you can hardly see it. LOL!!! Or could you really see that starter I posted the pics of? LOL!!! When I was pulling the engine and saw the wires coming from the starter, I thought to myself, I'll be damned if I'll unbolt that thing, as I cut the wires. Man!!! Getting the stock starter rebuilt at a little higher rating at a rebuild place might be a good idea.

 

Nice!!....Just a comment...why does everybody these days call an engine a motor??...Yeah I know...I know....but there is a difference...motors are electrical devices found on sewing machines and on engines too......but an engine is an engine and not a motor!

 

We can take that one step further....an engine is really a pump.......

By the way, your engine build is looking good!

 

These days??? People have called engines motors since I can remember, and in 6th grade electrical shop, I started being careful to call an engine an engine and a motor a motor. But I still catch myself calling an engine a motor sometimes. LOL.

 

I knew the difference also but still catch myself asking what motor are ya running

 

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually thats a VERY common misconception that I called my teachers out on more than once. Just go take a look in the dictionary. If you go by the definition of "motor" in the dictionary it includes an internal combustion engine. You would need to specify Electric Motor.

Hence names like "Department of Motor Vehicles". Their not talking about electric cars.

 

It will always be an engine in my book regardless what some interpretor typed up in a dictionary. I would be curious when the two words became one. I would guess in the 70's. When I had a course in engine rebuilding my instructor was a drag racer, engine builder and worked on most any type of ENGINE built. He threatened to fail anyone who referred to an engine as a motor. I will go along with his line of thinking and let Mr Webster have his. It is nice to know I have a smaller engine on my engine that starts it!

 

Wrong again!!! LOL

An engine can be a motor but an electrical motor can't be an engine. That definition has been in the dictionary since before you teachers teacher was born. If they don't know proper English than they aren't much of a teacher. Thats why I called out all my teachers on more than one occasion.

I have a dictionary thats over 120 years old and its the same in that one as my modern dictionary.

 

Very Interesting, motor vehicles. Never thought of that. even remembering the DOT on the side wall of tires. I suppose it would mean either/or. Even though I think of the motor as electric and the engine as internal combustion (not electric). I won't knock other ideas. My 455 is an engine, and my starter is a motor. LOL!!! Maybe there is a reason f/ the engine/motor seperation that exists in another book besides your 120 year old dictionary. Or is your 120 year old dictionary Phased out and obsolite. Before you start insisting that someone is dead wrong and talking stuff w/ the big WRONG, maybe more research should be done, atleast more than what you've done. I say that "motor" as in motor vehicle may be used in a generic way as opposed to electric only. Don't be so quick to "bad-mouth." Maybe you're wrong and the teacher is right. You came off as very "judgmental." Not Cool. And that would be a negative charge, and a high compression bad-mouthing.!!! You make Canadians look bad, worse even...

 

Why should I do more research?? I wasn't the one who came on here accosting people for using incorrect terms when they were in FACT correct.

As I have already said the old dictionary definition matches exactly whats in the current dictionary (not OBSOLETE). If its in the dictionary thats the official definition of the word in the English language and therefore FACT. If people have been spreading misinformation for decades that doesn't make it fact!!!

Secondly when did anyone claim that my statements speak for Canadians? If your having trouble distinguishing between individuals and countries then its time to seriously get a grip.

 

Enough with the name calling. Nest step is to close this thread if this keeps up. I don't want to do that as this has been interesting so far.

 

Well maybe ya got me but I will use engine for an engine and motor for an electrical device as I was instructed. I dont recall GM listing their engine options (size) as motors or parts for engines in the books as motor parts. I will still cringe when someone calls an internal combustion engine a motor.

 

Please read what Wiki has to say about this....

An engine is a machine that produces mechanical force and motion from another form of energy (e.g. a fuel source, compressed air, or electricity).[1] It is also referred to as a prime mover. An automobile makes use of several motors to start the car and drive the car's various pumps – but the power plant that propels the car is called an engine. The term motor was originally used to distinguish the new internal combustion engine-powered vehicles from earlier vehicles powered by a steam engine, such as the steam roller and motor roller; but can be used to refer to any engine that creates motion.

Maybe crow needs to be eaten by all?

 

Seriously??? Wikipedia is not a real source for this information because it is put up by random web users. Any Joe Blow could go on that page right now and edit all that information as they see fit.

 

Not trying to step on anyones toes! But honestly engine, motor hell call it what you want! I'm a car guy not an english or grammer professor. I couldn't imagine getting into an arguement or discussion over a misconception of a word especially if the person was talking about something that struck my interest (CARS)! I can't call it but IMO the person who does that seems a bit **** and should either consider taking up a career in grammer lectures or should consider in looking in to see if they suffer from OCD. lol

 

Agreed. I think we can stop hijacking this thread now. Call it whatever you want. My point is only that we shouldn't be telling people they are incorrect for calling it a motor.

 

Hi Charlie Brown,thats quite the power plant you are building for that cool 442.
When you get her on the road she should turn some heads and be a real tire roaster.
Have fun
Steve

 

Good thing I don't have a motorboat!

 

or a motor scooter, or a motorcycle!

 

I just re-read your first reply; No attitude? Look at the WRONG in the monster letters at the top of your reply. Am I spelling "obnoxious" correctly? Not sure of the spelling, but I know it applies.
No, you came in w/ the crumby "attitude." It was a friendly thread prior to your nastiness. And, sorry f/ my mis-spelling the word "Obsolete." You seem to be a regular freakin' brainiac. YOU seem to have more of a problem than the use of "motor/engine." Good Luck in the future. And yes, you represent your residence. Not to say that everyone in Canada is as **** as you, but that Canada does have atleast one citizen w/ an "anti-" attitude. You are my hero! LOL!!!

 

You really need to be careful about how you judge an entire group of people based on an experience with one. You are really making Texans look bad as this is a very clan like attitude.

 

LOL too funny....

 

didnt they used to call natives "engines"? lol im just sayin'

 

I listen to motorhead and other rock music or is that enginehead,after all this I don't know.
Steve (

 

Oh yes, saying that there is one jerk in the group is calling the total group..., how twisted is that thinking. Possibly your reading comprehension is lacking. LOL! And clan like... LMAO!!! Reaching f/ straws. You're "desperate," did I spell that correctly? LOL!!! And now I'm making Texans look bad... I said, "one resident." That one is you, girl.

WOW. Please excuse my "off-topic," I'm done.