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The Body Stays On This One Too, 1970 442 4 Speed Refresh, has morphed to a body off!

Old July 23rd, 2018, 05:01 AM
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When I did the rear end on my convertible, I found a pretty clear D8 on it. I wondered what it meant as well. Did my best to duplicate on the finished product but somehow managed to not get a very good picture of it.
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Old July 24th, 2018, 04:20 PM
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When I did the rear end on my convertible, I found a pretty clear D8 on it. I wondered what it meant as well. Did my best to duplicate on the finished product but somehow managed to not get a very good picture of it.
Thanks for posting the pic. I looked at the one I'm working on again - it is definitely a 4 in a yellow color which is handwritten in a very sloppy style.
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Frame is back (0 hours)

Frame came back from Quality Powder Coating in a little over two weeks after being picked up. Total cost was 1031.00 - this included blasting the frame and 40 other misc. parts, powdercoating the frame one shade of black and the individual parts another, and pick up and delivery.







Also, without being asked, as an added bonus they masked off the control arm bushing and lower ball joint mounting surfaces - saving me some Dremel time.



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Old July 25th, 2018, 05:04 AM
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Nice work and a great price. Now I know I was overcharged when I did mine!
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Back From A Fun Time (5 hours)

Got back from a whirlwind trip some friends and I took visiting Washington DC, Strasburg Pennsylvania, ( we slept in a Caboose!) and The Gettysburg Battlefield. History geek out!

Today was devoted to reassembling the rear end. I want to get it under the frame so as to have the rear on something besides jackstands. Did all the usual detailing, and boy the ILT decal kits keep getting stranger and stranger on the part number selection.

i am a little worried. 5 of the rear wheel studs were junk, so I replaced them with Dorman P/N 610-186. The spline count is diierent from the originals. I got them in OK, but after all the trouble I have had with the Ford I'm working on, I don't want any future problems. Anyone have any experience on replacing wheel studs with aftermarket parts?





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Old July 30th, 2018, 06:24 PM
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I always use ARP wheel studs, then cut the lengths down b/c they come like 3 inches long.
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I replaced one stud, and since the serrations in the axle were weak, I had the stud tack welded in, maybe overkill, but wanted it to withstand my impact tool. I used a stud from NAPA.
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Old July 30th, 2018, 06:37 PM
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Why not spend the week up there for the show?
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That's some impressive overspray and factory ID mark replication there.
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Great detail, Joe! What green paint and type of brush are you using for the paint daubs on the rear. Never seen the green markings on the drums like that. Nice.
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I was fortunate enough to find a pair of the "bell' drums for my car. The one still had a barely visible green mark on it.
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Just wanted to say I am still following along... Thanks for making this thread like the past ones. Beautiful work. I just wish I had an assembly manual for the 62 model year.
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Originally Posted by 83hurstguy View Post
I always use ARP wheel studs, then cut the lengths down b/c they come like 3 inches long.
Thanks for the suggestion. I should have thought of that - my company is a stocking distributor of ARP.
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Originally Posted by dc2x4drvr View Post
I replaced one stud, and since the serrations in the axle were weak, I had the stud tack welded in, maybe overkill, but wanted it to withstand my impact tool. I used a stud from NAPA.
Great idea. I'll get Chris to put a little tack on each before reassembling the brakes on it.
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Originally Posted by Hairy Olds View Post
Why not spend the week up there for the show?
Had to get back to get ready for a return trip to the UP - looking at getting a place in Ontonagon.
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Originally Posted by Koda View Post
That's some impressive overspray and factory ID mark replication there.
Thanks for the compliment. Like to get them right! The diff housing overspray was a mistake on my part, but I like the way it came out.
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Originally Posted by WTHIRTY1 View Post
Great detail, Joe! What green paint and type of brush are you using for the paint daubs on the rear. Never seen the green markings on the drums like that. Nice.
Thanks - here's what I used for the drum dabs:

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I was fortunate enough to find a pair of the "bell' drums for my car. The one still had a barely visible green mark on it.
Randy, the dabs on these drums were on the raised ridges outboard from where yours are. Thanks for the pic.
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Originally Posted by jensenracing77 View Post
Just wanted to say I am still following along... Thanks for making this thread like the past ones. Beautiful work. I just wish I had an assembly manual for the 62 model year.
Good to hear from you Eric. Was there never such a thing as a 62 PIM or does no one reproduce it?
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Good to hear from you Eric. Was there never such a thing as a 62 PIM or does no one reproduce it?
65 was the first year that I know of.
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Had to get back to get ready for a return trip to the UP - looking at getting a place in Ontonagon.
Hell you will be only a stones throw from my house.
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Originally Posted by costpenn View Post


Had to get back to get ready for a return trip to the UP - looking at getting a place in Ontonagon.
Holy smokes, that's a big change from TX. Gichi-gami stays cold all summer long, so don't plan on any water sports!
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Good to hear from you Eric. Was there never such a thing as a 62 PIM or does no one reproduce it?
A 63 was found and it was donated to Automotive History Preservation. They posted it and now people offer them for sale on eBay now and then. I am a member so I downloaded it. They just got it free from the net and printed it. some of the 63 is the same and is useful but much of it is not.
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Love the detail and workmanship - well done!

What I find interesting is how people try to interpret how the assembly plants actually built these cars.

I saw the assembly process as a line worker at a GM B-O-P plant in 1972 in Framingham Mass.

The attention to detail was minimal, the paint finishes were minimal, and the care to make things neat and clean were almost zero.

Cars went down the line at 1 per minute (60 per hour). There was no time for care and detailing.Quantity over quality.

I was at Scrappy's house yesterday looking at his W30 project. He commented "Boy, they did not use much paint on these cars".

If you look closely at the body joining areas, the sealer is applied very messily. Like there was no spec for application.

EVERYTHING was done by humans - welding, assembly, painting, etc. That means human discretion played a huge part in how the cars turned out.

Monday and Friday cars were typically worse in quality.

The frames were dusted with a cheap black paint, just enough to stop flash rust before delivery. Brackets and small parts were dipped in a vat of water with a thin black layer of paint floating on top.

I have a lot of stories, but if you want to be "factory correct", cut corners, be sloppy, and make it "Just good enough"
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With cars coming down the line at one a minute, how did they paint or apply decals onto the 442's, W30's, and any other cars with a stripe option?
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With cars coming down the line at one a minute, how did they paint or apply decals onto the 442's, W30's, and any other cars with a stripe option?
Decals were put on on the line.

Stencils were applied with cars off the line.

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Decals were put on on the line.

Stencils were applied with cars off the line.
Even applying decals on the moving line is amazing. Watched '72 hood decals applied at a shop and it took time to line them up and have them to lay properly without bubbles or wrinkles.Anthony

We're stencils used for painting the side and back stripes on the non-W30 442's in 70-72, or were they applied in a different manner?
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Even applying decals on the moving line is amazing. Watched '72 hood decals applied at a shop and it took time to line them up and have them to lay properly without bubbles or wrinkles.Anthony

We're stencils used for painting the side and back stripes on the non-W30 442's in 70-72, or were they applied in a different manner?
Depends on the type of decal.

The side stripes on 442 cars were hand painted on using a permanent tooling stencil that was attached to the body. If you look closely at original cars, there is a fair amount of variation.

Doing one car is much different than doing hundreds.

Body sealer was literally slopped on. Trunk painting as well.

I did some of the sloppy sealer jobs myself..........

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It was a HOT session today (7 hours)

Upper Peninsula was wonderful - highest temp and day was 78 and the lowest was 49. Great people and beautiful countryside with Lake Superior itself being the star of the show.

Back in ole Texas, today it was 99 in the garage with my poor space AC unit doing nothing to keep the temp down. I hate sweating on my work, but I really don't have any choice. I can't wipe it off fast enough - arrrgggghhhhh.

Began by installing all the rest of the control arm bushings and front upper and lower ball joints. Tried for thirty minutes to make the special UBJ bolts that look like rivets work - no dice. Used the Moog supplied bolts with regular nuts and lock washers. The OTC tools I bought for installing the upper front bushings and lower ball joints worked great - for every job there is a proper tool. Also remembered to paint the white markings inside the hub of the rear axles - confirmed thus rear end got the white ones.

Installed the the rear end with no issues, so I pressed on to the springs and shocks (don't forget the insulators!) Next installed the rear sway bar with no shims needed at all. (First car I have done not needing any)


Next installed the new brake lines and reconditioned fuel lines. I took a lot of pics on how exactly they were attached (bracket orientation, clip color, fuel line stacking order) Also finished the distribution block. I wirewheeled the poop out of it and simply sprayed it down with clear, and changed out the o ring on the low pressure switch. Reinstalled the bracket and bolted this Olds Linden plant oddity back on to the car. Note : You can use a 15/16 open end wrench on the block to steady it and not bend your bracket while tightening up you brake lines, and don't forget to tighten and loosen three times before giving it the final tightening.



Also started installing the front suspension - began with the A arm snubbers and UCA to frame bolts properly driven in before beginning to torque down on the lock nuts. Installed my best guess on the A arm shims. With the frame straightening, welding and such, who knows where it will end up.


Finished with some more ILT decal installations. Crazy, crazy numbers.....




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I just finished reading something in the Inline catalog that states their rivet head bolts work with their ball joints and TRW but not with Moog.
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What exactly is this 'Olds Linden plant oddity'? What does it do and look like? Thanks
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What exactly is this 'Olds Linden plant oddity'? What does it do and look like? Thanks
Read back on this thread a while. There is a discussion about the distribution block bracket being unusual (how it is attached to the block) and so far only finding Oldsmobiles use this style on cars assembled in Linden.
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I just finished reading something in the Inline catalog that states their rivet head bolts work with their ball joints and TRW but not with Moog.
Thanks - must have missed that note.
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Keep up the great work, Joe.
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The funnest part of the resto process (9 hours - 7 yesterday, 2 today)

Got the front end together. All went swimmingly - even the spring compression went OK. Got all the labels and dabs done, but still need to get the right length sway bar Link bolts and spacers to button it all up. Next I will install the exhaust from the mufflers back and go ahead and do the rear brakes. It is getting to be time to go back to the Ford Truck I am doing, so the next post might be it for awhile.



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That 442 frame Looks Great!!! Also, I saw a picture of the 79 F250 in the paint booth yesterday. I see why your excited about that truck. Is there a build thread on that truck on another forum?

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That 442 frame Looks Great!!! Also, I saw a picture of the ‘79 F250 in the paint booth yesterday. I see why your excited about that truck. Is there a build thread on that truck on another forum?



Ali, hope all is well down your way with the Austin gang. Here's a link to the thread on Ford Truck Enthusiasts detailing that build. Also could you post that pic of the truck in the booth at Vastine's?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...storation.html



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...Also could you post that pic of the truck in the booth at Vastine's?
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...storation.html

You are going to make me break the CO rules and post Non-Olds material here, but this is worth it:
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Looks like code 028 twilight blue to me!
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Ali, I did not know that rule and have repeatedly broken it myself. Please delete those pics if you need to. Heath, the Ford color name for it is Dark Blue Metallic, and like on my blue car, it is shot over black primer.
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