Per the attached photo, the color of the "H/O 455" scoop decals on my car look more like pewter than gold.
I'm needing help finding a source which offers the decals that match the "Firefrost" gold as closely as possible.
Thanks.

 

Tom,
I'll try to get up to Fusick this coming week and snap a pic of the ones they sell.

Dino

 

Original decals didn't quite match the stripes anyway. I think I got some pictures on a memory stick somewhere I'll have to see if I can dig up. Even better if someone has an original decaled scoop on their car and takes some pics. Sounds like you got some sort of fade going on if they look pewter. Could it be the white reflecting off the decal making it appear that way? They are gold, actually looked a bit more brassy color, so it was a little different hue than Firefrost. And the originals had more of a metallic sheen to it rather than metalflake, if that makes sense. I carefully removed one of the letters on the side of my scoop and sent it to a decal repro place to have it scoped out. They told me it was done more like a silkscreen on some sort of coated paper-like substrate. It was very thin but strong. The coating on it could rub off over time, which was obvious as mine was losing the black color around the edges. They said that it wasn't cost feasible to try and recreate the original just like the original. I had a set redone in vinyl and they came out fairly nice, actually.

Be careful when purchasing the scoop decals from internet vendors, should anyone choose to do so. I know some places are straight shooters, but some people selling them don't know squat about having a LH and RH decal as they're obviously different tapers as we already know. There's one place selling 2 of just the RH side as a set. Another it appears the lettering has no taper for either side. Derp.

In the meantime, I did find a picture of a "barnfind" 69 H/O. It appears to have the original decals on the scoop.

 

Here's a pic of the prototypes I had done. They didn't exactly lay out the spacing for the coloring exact on this run.

 

Dino,
Thanks a lot.
BTW, did you order the print(s) of your H/O crossing the finish line at IMS? I received mine very quickly from the source provided via H/OCA.
- Tom

 

69HO43,
Thanks for your detailed response and help.
My decals were ordered/applied just a couple months ago. The photo I attached was not the best lighting-wise, but in "regular" light the pewter/gold contrast is pretty noticeable.
When I attended the H/OCA event at Indy last month, I saw a variety of scoop decal coloration, most of which were more "gold" than mine.
Understanding the decal gold may not match the car gold exactly, I'm just hoping for something better than what I currently have.
Thanks again for your input. The barn-find photo is very helpful.

 

It's not surprising you saw various shades of gold on the decals. It's the same with the headrests. And hardly anyone back in the 70s, through the 90s used the right shade of gold if they repainted the stripes as it were.

It seems your scoop decal is placed correctly. Looks pretty nice, actually.

The potential "problem" with the so-called barn find H/O is that the car, or at least the stripes, was repainted on the car at some point because they didn't have the black pinstripe accent as well as the front fender had almost a 90 degree bend on the front fender. Definitely not curved as it should have been. That said, it's possible it is an original decal if they took the scoop off or just redid the striping. Or appears to be an original scoop. A Little Different years ago sold a clear mylar decal with the lettering printed on it that was very close to the original decals in appearance, but the clear background made it look like on of those model car slide decals, just in larger form.

After I got my car, I measured a bunch of things such as stripe and emblem and decal placement. I made some crude drawings to document the measurements so as to closely mimic what they did at Demmer. Put them on some crude drawings but they're mine for my reference. Here's the hood scoop drawing showing my scoop's approximate decal placement if this helps anyone who may have no idea where to start. I'm sure every car is just a little bit different than the next. But this is pretty much how my car was done.



Here's a couple pics of my original scoop. The decals have somewhat of a very very slight texture to them. Hard to describe. I think the decal company was right: they silkscreened colors over a blank form of a substrate.

 

Yes I did, came in very quickly. Now to get them framed!

 

so before you put a lot of effort into this.. I think you'd better touch base with the '69 HO Advisor Kurt Karch.


BUT

some years ago a Hurst Olds club member Mike Rothe looked into this. He actually went to the Demmer Factory in about 1992? and got an original Gal of Firegrost gold, shoot it out and then got DUpont to reformulate the FireFrost Gold in a Urethane.


The 69 HO Hood scoop decals also went through an evaluation as well.. MIke tried to reproduce them as well, but could not find the exact type of gold decal material to be 100% acurate like the originals, he sold some, then heard he sold his stash to Dr. Decal.

Might want to check this info out...

 

Yeah, Kurt would know. Give him a ringy dingy or contact him and see where he's at on all this.

As far as the gallon of paint- some of it's true. Someone who worked at Demmer found a gallon of Firefrost which then eventually ended up in DuPont's hands. They reformulated a BC/CC Chromapremiere for the stripes based on that paint analysis. The new formulation was obtained through Demmer. Now I understand some of the components of THAT formulation are obsolete.

Yes, Dr. Decal ended up with a bucket of H/O scoop decals. IIRC, at the time there were two choices. Those and A Little Different's clear one-piece.

I also heard from a little birdie Mike was working on trying to replicate the glovebox decal where there's a thin, clear plastic overlay like the originals.

 

Guys,
Thanks for your help and input on this.
I spoke to Kurt Karch about this at Indy, but it was when a lot was going on and I wasn't able to write down what he was telling me.
I have since sent him an email.

 

Tom,
I went to Fusick yesterday. Unfortunately these decals have two stage release paper (as most do for single character installs) and they were a little reluctant to peel it back to reveal the color. I totally understand as it may be difficult to sell that decal as new later. From what I could tell thru the liner and what they told me they do look like a decent color mate to the Firefrost.

 

Dino,
Thanks for following through on this matter. Sending you a PM related to this.

 

ask Fusick where they got their Decal from,, it seems most decals they sell (as well as a lot of other parts places) are ones obtained from Jim Osborn Reproductions

See http://www.osborn-reproduction.com/c...A9KEY%3APAR%3A


if you get a decal and look at the backing and the item code starts with a "D" it came from Osborn