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Old February 28th, 2018, 03:56 PM
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Exactly. There is nothing on the vin tag that matches up on the cowl tag.
The exception would be hardtop, post or vert I believe. 5V on the cowl is a 442 in 66.
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Old March 3rd, 2018, 03:36 PM
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(B) a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary for the repair; (C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law; and (D) a person who removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act, if that person is the owner of the motor vehicle, or is authorized to remove, obliterate, tamper with or alter the decal or device by - (i) the owner or his authorized agent;

The long and short of it is, if you legally own the car, you can do whatever you want. If you've been authorized by the legal owner, you can remove/replace them. I wouldn't think twice about it. The car looks great with the black paint!
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Old March 3rd, 2018, 06:30 PM
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Out of town, cannot post links but a simple search will show possession of the Rosset rivets is illegal in five states. Michigan is one of them, two guys went to jail back in 2001 in Macomb County MI. They can only be sold to manufactures. I agree intent has a lot to do with this topic, if a car is to be run thru an auction and they see any tampering its out, as stated above. Why take a chance and put yourself in that position. Would rather have a rusty vin then one that's be tampered with and throws your rare car into question.
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Old March 3rd, 2018, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by classicmuscle.442
Out of town, cannot post links but a simple search will show possession of the Rosset rivets is illegal in five states. Michigan is one of them, two guys went to jail back in 2001 in Macomb County MI. They can only be sold to manufactures. I agree intent has a lot to do with this topic, if a car is to be run thru an auction and they see any tampering its out, as stated above. Why take a chance and put yourself in that position. Would rather have a rusty vin then one that's be tampered with and throws your rare car into question.

Michigan laws go as far as saying that not just the vin but changing/altering anything that has the vin stamped into it is a felony. The guys that get caught are the ones doing it with illegal intent. The average joe who does a frame off resto and replaces them isn't going to prison.
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Old March 3rd, 2018, 07:53 PM
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well now that is really vague.does this pertain to say an engine or trans that has a number that matches the last 5 or 6 digits of the vin??or the frame?if it is interpreted as such.if you blow up the original engine you better junk the car or your commiting a felony.or frame rusts out can't change it either.
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Old March 4th, 2018, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by cherokeepeople
well now that is really vague.does this pertain to say an engine or trans that has a number that matches the last 5 or 6 digits of the vin??or the frame?if it is interpreted as such.if you blow up the original engine you better junk the car or your commiting a felony.or frame rusts out can't change it either.
That was exactly my point that state laws are all over the map. Maryland law can be interpreted to mean exactly this - that altering a VIN derivative is illegal. Obviously no one has ever gone to jail for changing an engine or trans, so fortunately enforcement has been subject to common sense, but in all cases, read and understand the exact laws that apply to you. Federal law is not an issue.
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