I graduated high school have many certs for autobody and mechanical work along with welding and fabrication certs. My agressive attitude has gotten me to the point im at 22 and ready to buy my house i couldnt be happier I have no debt yet everything i owed is paid off i have a nice toy and i have done stuff only people dream of so yeah im happy. Sorry my typing skills aren't the best i work on cars im not a teacher. In reality im an easy going guy like to work alone and help people out i help all my friends with their cars tune em have painted them and done body work to them with little to none in return thats the kind of guy i am .

 

This show's how arrogant you are to think you are superior for grasping concepts others dont want to as to say sticking your nose up at us so to speak this is my opinion and like you said opinions cant be wrong.

This in response to what you posted "He confuses "opinion" with logic. I really think this is the kind of guy that spits into the wind" I can keep going too .[/QUOTE]

You're right I have been arrogant from your perspective, but how can I avoid it when you offer no compromise.....no thoughtful reponse?

The statement about confusing logic with opinion is not name calling......but I will concede spitting in the wind probably was......however it doesn't reach the level of calling someone a vagina. Or implying that they are not manly enough for you.

 

I never said you weren't man enough. I will not compromise nor will i . Why ? simply because i dont have to nor does anyone else just because we wont compromise doesn't mean you should keep going. Btw i look no better than you for going on but i wont let down why as dumb as it seems i wont agree with someone or compromise just because they think i should . Im not looking for an arguement and im not looking to be right I just think you should calm down . People wont agree with you so you will keep posting come on man.

 

There you have helped me out with this post.

You "don't have to understand me" and "you don't need to get my point". If you were a man, an intelligent man, you would strive to do both those things. You needn't agree by any means, but you would address my issues directly and not rant about your rights all the time.

 

I wont strive to do anything i dont want to it wont make me any smarter or dumber. If i have to ask a question why does this matter so much to you what do you have to gain ? Me im just standing for my self to state if i dont like what you dont or dont agree live with it dont press the issue untill we all agree or they shut the thread. I think you have pressed your issue that you will hold your breath till we do or agree with you so to speak. Even when i was baking off you hinted to me in the following post and i wont let you do that if i back off count me out dont talk behind my back thats how i take it so yes that is why im still here .

 

Btw this isn't your post the world does not revolve around you.

 

Did you know that recent research has suggested that the male brain doesn't achieve the capacity for mature decision making until at least 25 years of age? Let talk in 3 years.


http://hrweb.mit.edu/worklife/youngadult/brain.html


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4190000AAGUP7C

 

Thats fine. I got alot going for my self and you trying to prove im immature is pathetic. I mean whats your gain with posting that im not even mad im actually laughing. You got way off subject now you are just bashing me which is even more sad because you apperantly gave up on your subject. I'll tell you what i might not be capable of making choices by statistics but I think for someone my age im doing alright.

 

I dont know your age and i dont care. Im not gonna do research just to make fun of you I'll just use what you give me .

 

Well, I have to go eat. But, let me end on this note. I should have recognized your achivements. For 22 you have been much more successful then many people I know who are older and have actually spent years getting advanced degrees. So, to that and the fact you are buying a house I applaud. Seriously I do.

I think we all just might be getting carried away. Incidentally, I too am generally considered a "nice guy". While I have earned a few degrees I very much enjoy working on my car, woodworking, building up the house etc. I truly admire the skill set to do these things. I can do them, but never with the speed and ease of folks who work in the professions.....and to be honest I tell people that I also do it to save money.....but since I often make mistakes LOL it sometimes costs me more!!

Night

 

Nevermind............... I'm done.

 

In the course of human events, this 3 page thread may be the biggest controversy ever initiated bt the dutch.....

 

my toughts exactly

Getting almost scared to ask about , how to do and adjust forced shifting

 

Gentlemen,

I hope a good nights rest has calmed everyone down. I'd hate to have to close this thread.

 

With all due respect, it should have been closed a page or two ago.[Just my humble opinion.]

 

I think that the 2 gentleman would do much better by email, or PM's.

IMHO, where is this thread going? The OP's question has been answered way earlier!

 

I am hopefully assuming that everyone decided to review the forum rules, follow them, and live happily ever after... If so, thank you!
If no more useful info is to be added regarding to the original poster's questions, then the thread is done.

 

I wish it had been .

Still, given the number of views it seems to have provided some level of entertainment (for lack of a better word) to several.

However, to those who read, but perhaps didn't comment, but were upset or offended I apologize. It is sometimes hard to phrase things in the most succinct and polite fashion when feeling frustrated by each attempt. I tried, but apparently, failed to get what I thought was a simple message across. My intent was not force anyone to bend to, or to agree, with my opinion, but simply to understand the reasons why I have that opinion. I know I was according that deference to the opposing viewpoints - though clearly that was not recognized by those who I was addressing.

Well, anyway thanks to those who wrote PM in support.

As to copper, TK and Bill in NC - for the record - I don't hold any animosity toward you. I respect that you have opinions that are different from mine. It may seem strange to say, but I thank you all for the interaction. I learned several things......among them....LOL....to not get so frustrated!!!!! But, I also learned about people, from different parts of this culture/country, and how they think and that is valuable. I work in a state (NJ) with a specific culture and in a particular R&D institution that is very academic in nature. In other words I think my world can be very cloistered......and it’s good to be reminded the rest of world is not NJ or scientists.

So all, thanks for your attention to this final post on this thread LOL !!

 

I didn't think I'd see this kind of flaming on this forum.

You like to do burn outs or whatever?, great; have fun with your buddies on the strip or private road.
Your buddies will applaud your antics and you get a big grin on your face.

In a public place that's another matter, we all have a duty to act in a responsible manner.

Also the public that don't care for your antics will very likely conclude you enjoy one in a bed sex romps and might well conclude other old car/hot rod enthusuasts behave the same way.

Roger.

 

I opened this thread up and thought I was on ROP

 

Someone also went to another Olds forum whining about all of us!!
Naturally, not explaing everything!!
How someone can 'brag' about scaring women and kids, is beyond me!
Thankfully, I wasn't there - - - - - -

 

Hmm.. wonder why that is. Suspension geometry? Stock spring rate?

That is interesting if true.

 

Shorter wheelbase, less 'overhang', less weight, higher[numerically] rear gears, crappy tires, - - where do you stop?
Many variables!

 

Id like to acknowledge those that have previously publically claimed CO to be better than ROP.

 

I like the lawlessness of ROP and the relative civility of ClassisOlds (except this thread of course)

 

Pete, it's just winter time human nature

 

Mike, i enjoy them both for what they are would never claim one to be better than the other. I will admit they are different.

Nick, do we need a head thread over here?

 

welllll , all I have to say is ..... at my age it would seem annoying to be woke up in the middle of the night from some goofus laying a burner outside , im guilty of doing that every once in a while , but I pick my areas for doing that carefully and I dont burn my tires past the rims lol

 

LOL One guy says doing burnouts when other people are around is dangerous and another says its a free world and the whole thread takes a crap.........I have said this before on countless forums........You wouldnt be talking to each other face to face like your typing..........

 

 

Nice lamp.

 

X2 , its hard sometimes to get what people mean when it comes to typing ..... words can mean two different things..... or did you mean that they would get beat up

 

Now this makes sense when along with bigjerrs comments. Now just sit on the floor cross your legs and hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Now do we all feel better?

 

^ this

 

I wouldn't be affraid to say any of the thing's i said to anyone. Here is why It's now what you say but how you say it. If i were to have this whole thing happend in person it would probably be a calm debate i dont yell and it takes alot to get me mad. I might be passionate but rarely angry. It is hard to put emotions into typing like it was stated earlier. That being said im sorry if i offended some of you I had no intentions of getting it to this level and i appologize. I have no grudges against anyone and im not one to hold any. In no way does any of this justify what wad said in the heat of the moment im sorry if my conduct was less than stellar. Have a good one fellas

 

That needed to be said, by all involved - - - thanks!!

 

I for one don't know if it is true, but I am intrigued and would offer the following.

First, assuming that the engines in the A and B bodies are identical (455 with identical HP we can eliminate that as a cause. Simiarly if the axles are the same ratio that removes that from consideration. For simplicity and because it seems unlikely to affect the ability to spin lets also assume that the suspension components have no affect.

That leaves 3 things to consider
1) the drive shaft
2) the weights and "overhang" (or more accurrately weight distribution) of the vehicles
3) the transmission

In a B vehicle the drive shaft will be slightly longer. I am guessing no more then 6 inches. This will add weight to the shaft, but given the small increase I doubt it makes any significant differents in HP at the wheels. The length will not affect torque.

The overhang weight distribution appears to be significantly different. While only a guess here it would seem the the B body weight is more evenly distributed - thus more weight on the back wheels. So, this is one reasonable candidate for why it is harder to spin the wheels.

Lastly there is the transmission to consider. While the transmissions might be the same in each car (e.g. TH400) they might be tuned differently. Considering that the B bodies were/are considered more family sedans (people movers) and not sport vehicles I can image that GM engineers could adjust the transmission to have less effective torque at low end gears. Effectively the transmission is tuned to slip more in first gear starts. This creates a more modest progressive buildup of acceleration (i.e. smoother feel to the car). I think this is something like what you would experience in an A body if the trans "belts" were starting to wear.

Well that is my guess.

PS
I know I said I was not gonna write more, but this was too interesting to not comment on.

 

The OF 350 (low /high performance gearbox is almost identical to the OG (442) gearbox from 1969 same thickniss and nymber of plates. (page 7e-74 chassis manualcd)

The OJ OM OL (with 455 or police packet ) use thicker and in some gear more plates.
Also the OW from the 442 with w30 does have more but not thicker plates

Gear ratio i could not vind yet,

The RA diff in my olds is a 2.78, if it is still original.

Personly i think it is the amount of weight on the back tires, and the weight of the car of course.

a less heavier car with a smaller engine and less torque will also do a burn out if set propperly.
heck even my little brothers cj5 with a 4.2six would do the trick on original tires (not with 33x12.5 tires) without help of the clutch

 

Not very scientific but worthy of note. Years back I had a 69 Impala SS427 with pretty high gears 2.67 IIRC.
Would not burn a tire worth a darn. Bummer for a HS kid.
Also had a 69 Caprice with a 396 that would boil the reart tire at will.(very close to the same car)
My thoughts it must have had better, lower (higher numerically) gears.
Also that same 427 in a 67 El Camino w/3.08 gears was very hard to get traction. It was light in the back. Even with soft compound tires on the El Camino (a-body) I still had to baby it off the line. Best run I could get was a 14.5 @ 95 mph. fun but not so great.

Sorry about all the Chevy talk just to show how the variables can react.

 

The 1 thing i now from my car is the timing.
Somehow it is afecting the lower rpm torque.

If i set it back like chainging the lightest springs to bleu and silver, in staed off the 2 lightest ones i have installed it would not spin from the start.

i tried it but the engine drops almost dead off the amound of feul.
And still do not understand why

I had my timing and distributor mounted by my enginesuplier, and with the timing set on 14 and the 2 lightest springs i have the clossest mach from the data on my timing thread.
Mybe with a dyno and carb rejetting a can get more out of it.
And i'm curious about the hp and torque.

My goal with this engine was to get as much torque i can get in lower rpm's to get it's big *** moving from start.
And i'm not racing it,
In fact i have a 455 with dished silvolite piston (8.5 or 9 at most i think) and a cam MC1287 from melling with melling pushrods, and perfact circle piston rings. and G heads
a melling oilpump
And it is a rebuild crate longblock

That is what my engine suplier told me, but the engine specs were somewhere lost between the states and the netherlands.

I did mount a performer intake and carb and duals without H or X pipe (still in progress)

Next time i gonna rebuilt it over here and choose my own internal parts.