jensenracing77

But the fear of posting that.... Now you will see someone restamping a couple common numbers to justify there fakes.

dnmfranco

good point
the other that is occurring is now re-stamping of service replacements
why ......... the perpetrators think why would they think we are re-stamping service replacements

bkeese

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Octania

Here is a distributor 1111977 9G21
it does not have ANY sort of step on the numbered surface
makes me think maybe restamped? I am not asserting that, nor disparaging the seller, just asking for input

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Oldsmob...torefresh=true

bkeese

If you look at the first photo a couplr inches behind 9G21 is casting flashing where the mold came together. I would say this distributor has never been turned down. So unless there is something wrong with the stampings, like fonts, size, over strikes or changing an F into an E, etc. I might conclude this is real, but I'm NOT an expert, just someone that knows what to look for.

dnmfranco

The numbered surface looks suspect in comparison to the date code
then again some of the surface appears to have its original integrity
tough one

Sam where are you lol

RocketDevo

This Distributor on ebay I believe is original. In 1970 some Distributors came with a machined surface and some did not. This distributor does not have a machined surface, which is virtually impossible to copy. Therefore the Distributor would of had to be a blank to be re-stamped. If you look at the "9" and the "7s" on the part number you will see a slight indent on the "9" where the circle part of the "9" meets the tail part. Also with the "7s" where the two lines meet same thing. This is a tell tail sign of the factory stamping "Jig". I have not seen any re-stamps in person or online that have duplicated this. If you go back in this thread you will see samples of real and fake distributors and the numbers on the original's are consistent with what I explained above. The other thing to mention is that the Date stamping was not done at the same time nor with the same stamping Jig as the part number. Hope this helps.

dnmfranco

good stuff, that was a nice detailed explanation ty

erw813

What would the next earlier production date be for that particular carb on ebay. I think it's 7041257
1971 442 AT

pogo69

The 977 dist. On ebay right now...that 9 sure looks funky to me but he says its legit

hotrod1442

Do the early '69 distributors have the area at the bottom of the housing machined or is it "as cast"?........ (the diameter that locates the base of the distributor in the block nearest to the drive gear)

Thanks, Dave

Mr Shifty Sidney

If you are refering to the 1970 model year distributor made in 69 then the answer is yes. Some were not machined. I think there is a picture in this thread.

Don W

hotrod1442

I know that the register where the distr. cap locates, and where the part # and date code are is not machined.............I'm interested in whether or not the bottom diameter of the casting is machined or is "as cast" (where it locates down in the block, not the intake)

Thanks, Dave

brownbomber77

Guys, I have a 1111973 distributor...is it restamped? The 7's appear to have the right curve, but the two 3's are marginally different. Any help is appreciated.
thanks,
Dan

RocketDevo

The date stamp was completed at a different time using a different font type for the stamping than the part number stamp. It is acceptable that the two "3's" will not look the same. It looks good but I would need to see a clearer photo to be sure. I find the 1969 date stampings not as uniform as later year stampings, especially with the non machined surface. Hope this helps.

pogo69

from here it looks good to me

72xw30

Very interesting "OW" transmission tag on this 71W30 convertible for sale on the Bay.
Anyone know this car? Paul?

Cheers,

Sam

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oldsmobile-4...US_Cars_Trucks

Hairy Olds

**** poor reproduction decal and not one of mine.

Octania

How refreshing to see a restamped part honestly described as such!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-HO-Hurs...-/271867002514

If you save the photo be sure to edit it and add "restamp" or similar so that future viewers will know that.

70sport442

Ok, I'm now aware and learning about re-stamping.

So, since I'm selling a 1111979 9H7 W30 distributor (got it around '91-'93-ish), can you tell from pictures that it is legit?

History:
Got it around '91-'93 from a parts store owner who loved Oldsmobiles and building cars and racing stock in general. Nice '50s kind of guy. Put into trunk of my 70 Olds 442 Sport with intention to fix car up. Then, life happened.... So, there it sat, and just like the car, the distributor is up for sale.

Numbers:
Distributor: 1111979 9H7
Vacuum Control: MS 427 16 (1973427)
Condenser: DR-70X BLUE STREAK
Flange Stamping: 53 CW

Reply in thread and/or PM me for direct conversation. I'm located in Connecticut. Thanks for the help!

Octania

CW 530 Cam perhaps?

I see as-cast finish below the line, correct looking machined cap OD with correct 0.1" ghost machine marks typically made as the tool is withdrawn. Numbers look right to me.

The vac. can. appears original.
Get that paint off there and it would be a right nice unit.

I have been searching for an item in my mess lately and found a lot of the distributor rebuilding tools and the calculations sheets I used to get the timing right w/o a Sun Dist'r machine...

Ah good times.

70sport442

Excellent feedback and am happy I've done verification homework. Maybe these pics/descriptions can help others as they do their own id searches. Thank you. Rebuilding tools are good to know and will pass on conversation to the purchaser.

What is significance (if any) of the 53CW or 530CW cam?

From an angle and not disassembling, it looked like a 53 (top) and CW (underneath). It could be 530, but I thought '0' was a pressed part made flush with the flange. Also added 2 pics: close up view of cam + close up view of condenser.

Sometimes it pays to just set it aside and 'get to it later'..?..
Like 22+ years later.... sigh...

Just like this 70 Olds 442 Sport/Post Coupe I'm selling....
https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums/cars-sale/94859-1970-442-sport-coupe-34477-post.html
and here: http://li-nyc-oldsclub.com/informati...tips-for-sale/ (ends 8/16/2015)
and here: http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...2/1757461.html (ends 8/21/2015)

BIGGER sigh.... yes, good times...

RocketDevo

Hello, I just want to ad that your Dist. is legit. The MS 427 16 vacuum control is the same number on all legit W car distributors from Olds that I have seen. I believe the CW 530 is also used just on the W car applications.

70sport442

Good to hear. Thanks for info too!

dnmfranco

Dont think this is legit any opines.
Notice the raised numbers for date code which never seen on a 68/69 carb or Olds carb for that matter.

orange442

Some of the fonts look wrong and I am used to the carb # and code higher and the date below the code.

marxjunk

that 4 in the date...keeps coming up on ebay...and seems so wrong to me..but the Buick guys say that 4 is right on 70 stage one carbs but i dont believe it.....i dont think so..it should come to a point...like on the base plate

as far as dates higher and lower...theres some bach stamped carbs that people are looking at and trying to figure out which is right...

to me...date on the base is right....why would it have 2...never saw that...i know some early carbs have it on the base..later is on the bowl..it has 2 and the fonts are so diff..id be scared...

i guess someone could accidently find 2 carbs and use them to build one..i dunno..that 4 on the date on the bowl is funky to me

72xw30

Hey Dean, Hope all is well with you!

As to the carb, IMO - it appears to be an altered stamping ----- once again.
Like you said, the raised numbers on the date code don't look right----- I've never seen that either on the 68/69 W carbs - as a matter of fact on any OLDS carb.
Also, when was the last time you seen a date code on the body of the carb and also the base plate?
There are also a few other little things......stay clear of it my friend.

Cheers,

Sam

72xw30

Is this carb for sale or did you already purchase it?

Sam

dnmfranco

Ty for help

dnmfranco

exactly why does it have two date codes , that is my guess 2 for 1 but fraudulent

72xw30

A "legit" 9255 for reference.

Cheers,
Sam

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dnmfranco

ty for opinion yeah I had a feeling it was a fake.

I bought this 6 years ago not knowing anything about carbs/authenticity.
Funny thing is I bought it from Scott Pierce who had it on 442.com not ebay.
Other funny thing when I bought he had the Hemmings car of the year Blue 69 W-31 which I heard is a clone. So I guess not surprised, problem is I owe someone an explanation now. I sold it 3 years ago and guy had someone look at it.

dnmfranco

lol just a small difference man not happy . Steve knew I bought it to..........................

72xw30

Dean, can you please send me some pictures of the "fake" carb for my records.

Thanks

Sam

dnmfranco

sure will do

marxjunk

id say the base is right...who ever stamped it did not realize it didnt need a date on the bowl..on 68-9 carbs the date can be on the base...as in assy line...some time in 69 it went to the fuel bowl..

even the double date isnt the flag..its the 4, at least what i have seen...that 4 isnt correct..no way...even if the buick guys say it is..i do not believe it...if you get a real carb with a legit 4..under a magnifying glass theres another surprise too..but i wont share on an open forum..9s and 6s too...that may have been discussed i cant remember

thats only 1 place the dates are known to be on the base..theres another spot too

if they just would have left the date off...it could almost pass...unfortunately..maybe..at least it wouldnt be glaringly obvious

something i havent seen anyone mention here is..on HP carbs theres usually a specific stamp on the bottom of the fuel inlet...you have to know what it is to know if its right..an no forger gets it right...because they arent paying attention and usually it goes unchanged, because they dont know its there and has a meaning

i dont know what it is for a W30 etc...i do know what they are on RamAir Pontiacs..i have some records on real legit in hand have seen it myself stampings...

marxjunk

not your fault..you may have been deceived..explain it and make it right,...everyone here knows you are a straight shooter...maybe he will understand and work with ya...


EDIT..i changed the language as to not blame someone else...i dont know the circumstances and am no carb expert...i just observe and have my own opinions..i am not pointing fingers at any one

72xw30

This car???

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/..._feature1.html

dnmfranco

yes sir