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I like Tesla. Going to sell my new Model Y. Right after it's delivered. For $12,000+ profit. Ordered in April, before two price increases. Wish I ordered a few. Maybe I will get lucky and there be another price increase before delivery. Many can not wait the months to get one, if ordered today. . Ford just raised electric F-150 by up to $8,500. And it can not even tow, anything far. Sitting it out for the their trucks, that I ordered two.
My question to all this is, where is all the copper, lithium and rare earth metals to make millions of batteries for cars world wide coming from? Strip mining and lithium processing are environmental disasters. Environmentalists and the NIMBY people will fight against any additional mining or lithium processing in this country. So we rely on our friend China or other countries with no care for their environment? We still loose our energy independence. Recycling the current batteries is almost nonexistent. Hopefully in 10 yrs it will a be much better process but how much energy will that consume and what kind of pollution will that make. We are still going to need pump petroleum too. These vehicles will need alot of plastic to save weight. Not much plastic today is recycled or is a type that can be recycled.
Location: Spring, summer South Dakota otherwise Texas
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Originally Posted by blakes7
How would you survive in Phoenix, AZ without air conditioning? People are used to these comforts, adapting like the people of yesteryear did will not be easy.
Once upon a time I lived in Ajo,Az where summer temps hit 118* the majority of people used swamp coolers. The humidity being so low allowed them to work well.
Of course I don't see anyone who has AC changing back.
A coworker who enjoys camping told me he was teaching his young uns how to boil water over a fire. They were amazed that water could be boiled without a microwave oven.
My Mom and I were discussing her youth and when hurricanes blew in there wasn't really any electricity to go out, so no real change in their daily lives. They had one light bulb hanging from a wire in the kitchen. Now days people think they will die if the electricity goes out.
My senior year of high school we had a huge ice storm. We didn’t have power for almost 2 weeks. We cooked a lot of dinners on a kerosene heater.
My senior year of high school we had a huge ice storm. We didn’t have power for almost 2 weeks. We cooked a lot of dinners on a kerosene heater.
I live in the woods. We're one of the last roads to get plowed and one of the first to lose power. The woodstove comes in handy, and is a great place to cook with no power.
Electric vehicle's may perform amazingly. But they are absolutely soulless.
Well my Model Y came early. Picking up my soulless car today . With any other car I ever owned, I going to have fun with it. I thinking of starting a thread about the good and bad. About my EV. But really have no time to argue the pro and cons. Most here have already made up their minds. Just a reminder of my daily driver!She is F++king Beautiful in a heavy brooklyn Italian accent. Most work performed by me.
From a great american poet!
Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'
"the estimation of the cumulative environmental impacts resulting from all stages in the product life cycle, often including impacts not considered in more traditional analyses (e.g., raw material extraction, material transportation, ultimate product disposal, etc.). By including the impacts throughout the product life cycle, LCA provides a comprehensive view of the environmental aspects of the product or process and a more accurate picture of the true environmental trade-offs in product and process selection."
"LCAs are subject to multiple levels of uncertainty, but an assessment published by the Journal of Cleaner Production in 2021 shatters the notion that electric cars are cleaner than conventional ones, much less “zero emission.” The LCA found that manufacturing, charging, operating, and disposing of electric vehicles produces more of every major category of pollutants than conventional cars. This includes:
an increase in fine particulate matter formation (26%), human carcinogenic (20%) and non-carcinogenic toxicity (61%), terrestrial ecotoxicity (31%), freshwater ecotoxicity (39%), and marine ecotoxicity (41%) relative to petrol vehicles."
"Foreshadowing that result, a 2018 report by the European Environment Agency warned that studies on the “human toxicity impacts” of electric vehicles were “limited” and that electric cars “could be responsible for greater negative impacts” than conventional cars."
A few times government rules, force innovation. Space race, we got Tang and Velcro! Not true. But it did build todays technology!
Starting a new thread. Hope some of you do not go all Bat Sh-t Crazy! Design work has been none stop. No time anymore to fight about it.
Picked up the Model Y Long Range. Built in Austin, TX. USA. 10,400+ to be built there. Fit and finish are excellent, inside and out. Horrible plastic smell, like the new Avalon and Camry. Ordered the 20'' wheels to speed up delivery date. Ride is a little harder. But as good as the 85 Cadillacs I had. Going to work out getting the 19'' wheels. Road noise is minimal are 75 MPH. New 2019 Avalon and 2022 Camry, you almost have to yell at 75 MPH. To be heard. My Olds, I drive with earplugs on the highway. No charger plug, gave me a $200 credit to buy one. Superchargers on South Padre Island 11 miles away. One group of chargers are next to a good restaurant. Will let you know the charge times.
A/C ice cold at 60 degrees. 96 in Brownsville today. Roomy in every way, I am a big guy. Heated seats, but no cooling. Toyota's both had heating and cooling.seats A bit of a learning curve to use touch screen for almost everything. But if my old lady can learn it. Anyone can. I do plan on driving the whole east coast with this car in the spring. If not sooner.
When it comes down to it, I think there are far less people against EV than it looks on the surface. The larger issue that people have are the government involvement in them. I have nothing against them at all but I have to laugh at the people that think they are saving the planet with them.
Legislation was filed in Virginia this week to undo the 2021 law that required the Commonwealth to adopt and live by CARB standards.
I asked my legislators then WTF a state on the East Coast should be subjected to the whims of an unelected bureaucracy on the opposite side of the country.
Some of you have said you wouldn't miss California if it tumbled into the sea. There's times I wish the Northern Virginia counties surrounding DC would secede from the Commonwealth and merge with DC, or that DC would get their statehood with the condition they be forced to annex those counties- which have little to nothing in common with the rest of Virginia but dictate policy for the entire state. NoVA (Northern Virginia) vs RoVA (rest of Virginia).
After reading this entire thread... some thoughts..
The dumbing down of America is real, don't believe everything you read on the inner webs..
"Weather" is NOT "Climate".
Some people are very misinformed.
Ever wonder what the temp of the earths core is?
Everyone has an opinion. It just may not be based in fact.
I am also not a believer in EV's, yet. The technology still needs improvement.
My Oldsmobile's average about 16 mpg. Fine by me.
my Yamaha WR250R 250 cc dual sport street legal bike gets 70 miles to the gallon
that my come in handy when the globalist raise the price of gas to $10 or $20 a gallon +- to eliminate cars
This whole greeen deal is about control. Proof positive is the fact that DA Ca gov. wants to limit fossil fuels all the while his people are burning up. Meh.
Of the Earth's 29,000 coal fired power plants, 1500 emit 75% of earth's airborne carbon. Those 1500 are what me need to address. In North America, renewables only represent about 18% +- of the energy (depending on source). We have nothing to replace oil and gas.
Legislators should be formulating laws, not administrative agencies. That is the function of legistlative bodies.
My contribution is limited to the roles of legislators vs administrative agencies, not the merits of the underlying issue.
Legislators should be formulating laws, not administrative agencies. That is the function of legistlative bodies.
My contribution is limited to the roles of legislators vs administrative agencies, not the merits of the underlying issue.
Legislators are controlled by large corporations. That will influence the legislators and public opinion for their own benefit. Corporations bottom line is putting money into their pockets and shareholders. Most care less about polluting and their workforce.
Legislators are controlled by large corporations. That will influence the legislators and public opinion for their own benefit. Corporations bottom line is putting money into their pockets and shareholders. Most care less about polluting and their workforce.
I don't necessarily disagree. Influence is a separate but related issue.
Legislators are controlled by large corporations. (GIVEN)
So Are Politicians and the Judges they appoint
TERM LIMITS & AGE LIMITS (of politicians & judges) will slow the the Congressional Racketeering
Remember WE - "me & you" own the USA - NOT the Govt or Corps ! -
What did Citizens United do? The ruling effectively freed labor unions, trust funds, and corporations to spend UNLIMITED money on electioneering communications and to directly advocate for the election or defeat of candidates.
Some 1400 DC Lobbyist are not representing WE THE INDIVIDUAL VOTER
"the estimation of the cumulative environmental impacts resulting from all stages in the product life cycle, often including impacts not considered in more traditional analyses (e.g., raw material extraction, material transportation, ultimate product disposal, etc.). By including the impacts throughout the product life cycle, LCA provides a comprehensive view of the environmental aspects of the product or process and a more accurate picture of the true environmental trade-offs in product and process selection."
"LCAs are subject to multiple levels of uncertainty, but an assessment published by the Journal of Cleaner Production in 2021 shatters the notion that electric cars are cleaner than conventional ones, much less “zero emission.” The LCA found that manufacturing, charging, operating, and disposing of electric vehicles produces more of every major category of pollutants than conventional cars. This includes:
an increase in fine particulate matter formation (26%), human carcinogenic (20%) and non-carcinogenic toxicity (61%), terrestrial ecotoxicity (31%), freshwater ecotoxicity (39%), and marine ecotoxicity (41%) relative to petrol vehicles."
"Foreshadowing that result, a 2018 report by the European Environment Agency warned that studies on the “human toxicity impacts” of electric vehicles were “limited” and that electric cars “could be responsible for greater negative impacts” than conventional cars."
but it’s mostly happening on the other side of the world,, and that air over there, never comes over here. Out of sight, out of mind…that’s the thinking
If we wait awhile, we can harness the fuel source the aliens are using to spy on us, I’m sure it’s much more advanced than gasoline or batteries, or maybe it’s good ole horse dung converted to their energy source
Legislators should be formulating laws, not administrative agencies. That is the function of legistlative bodies.
My contribution is limited to the roles of legislators vs administrative agencies, not the merits of the underlying issue.
You don't think we have enough laws, now? Legislators should be purging the outdated, unnecessary stuff.
You don't think we have enough laws, now? Legislators should be purging the outdated, unnecessary stuff.
It is much easier for congress to delegate its legislative powers to a plethora of unaccountable agencies under the executive, that make up their own rules as they go. The same happens on a state level.
September 1st, 2022, 01:42 PM
car today . With any other car I ever owned, I going to have fun with it. I thinking of starting a thread about the good and bad. About my EV. But really have no time to argue the pro and cons. Most here have already made up their minds. Just a reminder of my daily driver! She is F++king Beautiful in a heavy brooklyn Italian accent. Most work performed by me.
Not true. But it did build todays technology!
