sammy

Yup, Ted got confused. I was thinking of the blue sticker and the Vin....oops

Ted

sammy

first is fom 1970 green Framingham, Mass
last two are from Freemont car 70

1969w3155

A good looking car. I hope that we can get the build date/model year figured out. The compression was higher on the 310 hp, 10.25:1, compared to 9.00:1 for the 250hp 2bbl.

sammy

Found the Build Sheet in my Freemont car under gas tank, passenger side....

Allan R

Hmmm, essentially then it's at least a 3 or 4 owner car considering how many times it's been flipped. 1 - owner. 2 - estate sale. 3 - flip. 4 - flip. 5 - You? Seriously, if you can't see the car in person? Check the classic Oldsmobile map and find someone close to there who can go look at it for you. For that kind of money I'd want a vehicle appraisal done on it prior to sale just as a re-assurance. Cheap insurance if you ask me, and the valuation and condition will be documented already if you buy and go to insure.

BTW if the car has it's original POP it will tell you what zone/dealer it was delivered to, plus the mileage on the car when delivered, and the date of delivery. Will also have the cars VIN on the POP. Since this is a Freemont car, if it's never been apart it MAY have that elusive build sheet in it. Ask for the original docs that went with the car.

Allan R

Ted,
Thank you. This pic helps establish something I said earlier about the body numbering having punches from the assembly line.

hurst68olds

Yes, it does show that more than the digit "2" was used ..... my comment was not a statement of fact it was questioning the use of that digit as an extention of the "body number".

The Fremont plant built a number of different "bodies" in 1970. Each different body would've started with a specific Fisher Body BF # for that specific "Body Style".

The El Camino example is from a different plant, using it only confuses the issues as does anything about Lansing as Lansing built hundreds of thousands of cars and Fremont didn't break 100,000. Also, the number of shifts at one plant has nothing to do with the number of workers, number of days worked, the shifts, or the number of cars produced at another.

VIN sequence is NOT the assembly line sequence - it is simply the VIN sequence.

sammy

summary, is this right?

Scott 442 is 5462 body #
Z136364 sequence #
built for June of 1970 delivery? late build?
Ted is 4493 body #
Z100891 sequence #
built for Sept delivery 1969?

hurst68olds

The latest Cutlass to join this thread is the 449th Olds Cutlass Supreme 2 dr hardtop body (34257), it was assigned the 891st VIN (0Z100891) & was build during the 5th week of August '69 at the Fremont plant.

The pic below is the 2,373rd Olds Cutlass Supreme 2 dr hardtop body (34257), it was assigned the 5,376th VIN (0Z105376) & was build during the 4th week of October '69 at the Fremont plant.

The OP's subject car was the 10,546th Olds Cutlass V8 2 dr hardtop body (33687), it was assigned the 36,364th VIN (0Z136364) & was build during the 1st week of June '70 at the Fremont plant.

What other "bodies" did they build at Fremont for the '70 model year? Anyone have any VIN and/or body tag examples?

jensenracing77

Very nice car Scott. You have a good eye for them.

1970cs

If memory serves, the old man used to mention that change over was usually in the first couple of weeks in July. Someone mentioned that the plants ran two shifts? Here in Lansing they ran three shifts. On the subject of hand stamp on cowl tags, has anyone seen that on a Lansing car? Pure speculation here that Freemont and possibly other plants were told to stamp shift #???? by bowtie, tri sheild or red arrow and just followed suit on Olds.

Also in a previous subject thread that Lansing was the first build on any model year to work out the issues here in Lansing.

My sources are retired hourly or salary from plants 1,2 and Fisher body.
FYI my 70 CS is 06B Lansing build.
Pat

GAOldsman

Yes, because Fremont produced less than 20,000 A-bodied Oldsmobiles in 1970 or should I say the 1970 production year. The VIN would include all Oldsmobiles built at that plant.
It can get real confusing real fast when you compare VIN's to Fisher Body Unit #'s, especially when you throw in other plants for comparison. It's really not that difficult when you think about Fremont as mainly other body styles. Lets take hurst68olds cowl tag he posted for example. His VIN is 5376th Oldsmobile to be shucked out by the 4th week of October. His Fisher Body Unit # is 2373 and this would correlate to the A Bodied Oldsmobiles that they've built thus far.
Not until the next model year.
As I mentioned before it can get confusing fast. Therefore any correlation between VIN and Body #'s should never be considered unless the plant only produced a single body style and that just didn't happen.


As far as the larger in font #'s I always read as it was a "sign off" by final inspectors at the assembly line.

Correct, you nailed it.

GAOldsman

Although this pertains to the mid 60's it pretty much sums Fremont up. Lansing was an Oldsmobile plant and Fremont produced lots of different GM body styles.

oldzzy

I'm guessing this is the same car? http://www.oldsmobilecentral.com/for...and%20Park.php

Octania

"The time build sequence should be 2 numbers (month) followed by a letter (A-E) indicating which week of the month the car was built."

Interesting. I have heard this also. A thru E weeks.
Which begs the question, what about a month like 12/2012, which spans -6- weeks on the calendar? Did they just ignore one? Or is 12/12 a once per 100 years phenomenon?

hurst68olds

I'll "ASSUME" their week designations were actually based on a week starting on Monday or ending on Saturday (or similar) thereby only needing A-E for any given month/year.

Going back to the '70 Supreme added late in the thread with "08E" - August '69 had 5 Fridays/Saturdays/Sundays, so is it week ending or week beginning?

or is

week A(1) days 1-7 of the month
week B(2) days 8-14
week C(3) days 15-21
week D(4) days 22-28
week E(5) days 29+

anybody know??

sammy

The sched date from build sheet is Aug 29 ....or 8-29...or 08E....which goes along with this....

hurst68olds

8-29-69 was a Friday

wmachine

You can stand by your statement, but you are wrong. The "extra" stamped digit is *not* an extension of the body unit number. The body unit number is shown on build sheets and do not have that number included.
And what makes you say that the number were "sometimes the early ones were stamped at the factory by workers there". Later (and some early) ones don't have them?
You are confusing your conclusions with facts. Nothing wrong with speculations until you start stating them as facts.

Allan R

Ok, let's use that logic. Doesn't matter where my car was built if I use it. My body number was 442325, so obviously according to you it was the 442,325th Cutlass S 2 door Sports coupe (model 3387) built at that plant that year? That's really interesting because I looked up the production numbers for 1972 and the total number of 3387's produced that year was only 78461 cars. Yet according to your interpretation the body number of my car exceeds Cutlass S production that year. So I tend to argue that body numbers were assigned by Fisher solely in ascending order of Fisher production, rather than by model as you suggest. Total Oldsmobile production of ALL models in 1972 was only 758711 according to the WAC website statistics for production.

Statistics for 1970 Cutlass S Holiday coupe shows 88,578 cars. Given the door sticker on the OP's post showing the VIN and build mo/year I withdraw my earlier comment about being an early build. Dan and Scot were correct to politely offer me the right info. My apologies for being stubborn on that topic.

VIN (according to CSMs) is the plant sequential number. Unless you have a better explanation of this, it means this to me: The order in which the production plant sequenced production of the vehicles. From actual GM pics I've seen of Lansing, Ninety Eights, Custom Cruisers and Cutlass models were built on the same line. This means that the 'sequential number' assigned in the VIN would be the 'order' it came down the line. So a cutlass with VIN 100002 could be followed by a CC or 98 with VIN that would be 100003 or 100004. The next Cutlass would get 100005 and so on.

Fair enough. The discussion was based on earlier threads on this site. I should know better I guess, but did not have any build sheets to reference with direct ties to the info stated. It seems that a lot of folks on ALL sites have a tendency to state their observations and be 'wrong' from a factual viewpoint though. Heck I've even seen posts where you were corrected and acknowledged it. So I acknowledge that my statement wasn't a factual one, just based on previous exposure to what may be obviously wrong information in the past. Perhaps you can address the extra stamped number on the cowl tag. WHO did stamp them if they weren't embossed by Fisher, and WHAT do they signify?? I'd also love to know what the extra embossing strings that appear on some tags mean if you have that.