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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:44 AM
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Engine Bay Detailing

Does anyone know what type of paint to use to restore an original air cleaner? ('71 Cutlass 455) Hi-temp, epoxy, automotive gloss black, krylon? I got a new 455 decal at Pomona and want to freshen up my air cleaner for starters.
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Carefull perfecting the air cleaner. You know that how "IT" starts The next thing you know the intake is a little dull next to the shiny air cleaner and its all down hill from there.
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Carefull perfecting the air cleaner. You know that how "IT" starts The next thing you know the intake is a little dull next to the shiny air cleaner and its all down hill from there.
Speaking from experience eh?
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 12:48 PM
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Speaking from experience eh?
No idea what you are talking about.
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:48 PM
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That's how the 67 got started I was just going to freshen it up a little, and 2 years and 14K later it's still not done!
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 02:55 PM
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I have had good experience with the O'Reilly brand high temperature spray paint. The semi-gloss black looks good for air cleaners, brackets, and pulleys. Don't use this paint for the block or heads though. It will burn off quickly.
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:32 PM
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Use semi-gloss as Olds64 states the imperfections show less. Any good Hi temp brand will work. make sure you clean well and rough up with fine grit sandpaper to hold the paint. Freshen up is a relative term. Serveral years and dollars later and I am sitll in the freshen up process on my 57
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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Thumbs up

Finally... a couple answers I can use, thanks.
Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsonharmont
Finally... a couple answers I can use, thanks.
Was not sure if gloss or semigloss was correct but I knew someone else would answer.
Old Jan 22, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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I restored a Goat and we had charts which told us which gloss to use on what parts from flat to gloss and gave a" % of flat" formula ...

I'm going to detail the bay and like this info for a 70 Olds ...
Old Jan 22, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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It also had the wash colors for the brake booster and the speckle mix for the trunk ...
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 12:10 AM
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Where did you find that information? Original Parts Group has an Olds restoration guide in their Cutlass/442 catalog, but they no longer carry it.

I found some hi-temp gloss black in my garage and used it for this job, but I would like to be 'correct' with future projects on the car.
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 04:38 AM
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Isn't the core support glosser than the rest of the engine bay?
Old Jan 23, 2009 | 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by oldsonharmont
Where did you find that information? Original Parts Group has an Olds restoration guide in their Cutlass/442 catalog, but they no longer carry it.

I found some hi-temp gloss black in my garage and used it for this job, but I would like to be 'correct' with future projects on the car.
It's been 20 years since we did it. My guess is to check with some Show Judges, maybe call a show.

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Isn't the core support glosser than the rest of the engine bay?
That's what I'm talking about.
Old Jan 24, 2009 | 12:13 AM
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The AZ chapter of the Olds Club of America has a meet at the end of Feb. I'm planning to go make some local connections and see other restorations first hand. (like my first boss used to say... do the job right the first time so you won't have to do it again)
Old Jan 24, 2009 | 12:55 AM
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Isn't the core support glosser than the rest of the engine bay?
The core support is gloss black along with the air cleaner, radiator, trailing arms, coil springs, differential housing and third member. The frames are chassis black, firewall and underbody are 30% gloss black.

The GTO restoration guide by Zazarine and Roberts gives you some of the colors and glosses, used it on all my goats and a lot of the info carries over to the other divisions, it's called "The Bible" in GTO circles. Both guys are pretty knowledgable and have been around a while. The Donahue/Zazarine "How to Restore Your Musclecar" book has charts for GM, Ford, Mopar and AMC chassis and component colors and glosses, It goes more in depth into all aspects of restoration. If you need some good tips or have never restored a car a real good book to have, lots of pictures.

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html...t_adv_XSNG1060
Old Jan 24, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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The core support is gloss black along with the air cleaner, radiator, trailing arms, coil springs, differential housing and third member. The frames are chassis black, firewall and underbody are 30% gloss black.

The GTO restoration guide by Zazarine and Roberts gives you some of the colors and glosses, used it on all my goats and a lot of the info carries over to the other divisions, it's called "The Bible" in GTO circles. Both guys are pretty knowledgable and have been around a while. The Donahue/Zazarine "How to Restore Your Musclecar" book has charts for GM, Ford, Mopar and AMC chassis and component colors and glosses, It goes more in depth into all aspects of restoration. If you need some good tips or have never restored a car a real good book to have, lots of pictures.

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/188-3772237-4874623?asin=0760321914&afid=yahoosspplp_bmvd&lnm= 0760321914|How_to_Restore_Your_Muscle_Car_(Motorbo oks_Workshop)_:_Books&ref=tgt_adv_XSNG1060
I like it when you are done and you can notice the change.

If you want to win a show it helps to find out the criteria. The trunk emblems I bought were 1/64 off. I know that some **** judge will have a mic.
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by amh555
The GTO restoration guide by Zazarine and Roberts gives you some of the colors and glosses, used it on all my goats and a lot of the info carries over to the other divisions, it's called "The Bible" in GTO circles. Both guys are pretty knowledgable and have been around a while.
This is a very informative book - I ran across it at Half Price Books for 17 bucks. It states the black on GTO air cleaners is 60* gloss.
I wish they made a book just for the Cutlass.
Old Jan 24, 2009 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gearheads78
Carefull perfecting the air cleaner. You know that how "IT" starts The next thing you know the intake is a little dull next to the shiny air cleaner and its all down hill from there.
Richard, didn't your frame-off start out as just a brake job??
Old Jan 30, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Richard, didn't your frame-off start out as just a brake job??
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I am just going to replace the heater core and the wiring harness ...

I am just going to replace the heater core and the wiring harness ...

I am just going to replace the heater core and the wiring harness ...

I am just going to replace the heater core and the wiring harness ...

I am just going to replace the heater core and the wiring harness ...

Old Jan 30, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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Richard, didn't your frame-off start out as just a brake job??
You don't know how hard it is for me leaving the imperfect paint on it.
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 04:55 AM
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You don't know how hard it is for me leaving the imperfect paint on it.
OOY veayh
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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It never ends once you start to make it better you always notice more to do. 57 Olds 8 years later and counting. lets see working on disc brake conversion oh and then there is the rust on the door panels, windsheild replace, new carpet and then there's the 48 Olds...................and on and on and on...........................
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It never ends once you start to make it better you always notice more to do. ...................and on and on and on...........................
I think I dug my grave doing this interior...
Just when I saw my completion ahead, I just noticed today how crappy the sunvisors and header look, also the worn paint on the steering column...
Geez - I only started with a few tears in the back seat....
Old Jan 31, 2009 | 05:53 PM
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try Eastwood Paints' "underhood black" paint. you can also opt to bead blast your air cleaner, pulleys & bracketry and have them powdercoated (very durable finish). you can choose between a satin or gloss finish. the satin is slightly dull, which looks more like the factory finish..
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 09:43 AM
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I like 78's post powder coat will hold up better longer but coast more.
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 10:53 AM
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Some one in another thread gave me [posted] a chart. AGGGG, I can't find the cotton pick'in thing/
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Is this it?

https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ect-color.html
Old Jan 1, 2010 | 08:03 PM
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I've had a few original core supports, and they were very close to Eastwood's underhood black. I also like semi gloss powdercoating for the various brackets.
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Kind of hard to see but the alternator bracket and the fan pulley were powercoated semi-gloss black in this pic. If I remember correctly, the semi-gloss used was 80% gloss. The finish was really even and smooth..hard to duplicate with a spray can.
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Old Jan 2, 2010 | 01:21 AM
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belt looks a li'l loose ...
Old Jan 2, 2010 | 08:35 AM
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You're correct and Thanks for pointing that out...but you failed to mention the missing upper radiator hose and the wires not connected to the water temp and oil pressure senders !! Just putting the car back together so got a little more work to do including the belt tightening but I do appreciate the 'heads up'.
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