68 Olds Delmont 88 red "Generator Light" on when running

Old Sep 20, 2023 | 01:50 PM
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68 Olds Delmont 88 red "Generator Light" on when running

Hi around 6 months ago or so, my Generator Light came on when running. But I could only run the car for 1/2 minute because the water pump was shot.

I just replaced the water pump and ran it today with no leaks (knock on wood) and while at it, I installed a brand new 55 AMP Alternator, but the red GENERATOR light did not go out. Here is what happens when i use a voltmeter on the battery:

Engine Off : 12.8 V
Engine Running with no Lights: 12.75 V
Engine Running with Lights: 12.44 V

Any ideas please of what it could be? I am afraid to take it out of the driveway as I am afraird of running out of battery charge. When I did the same thing for my GMC Yukon, the goes to 14.2 V when running.

Old Sep 20, 2023 | 02:24 PM
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Check your voltage regulator.
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by matchek
With a voltmeter, when the car is sitting, is shows around 12.8 V. When I run the car with lights on, it is around 12.44 V. When I run the car with the lights off, it shows 12.76 V.

I did the same thing with my Yukon, and the I get 14.2 Volts when the vehicle is running.
It should be about 13.8V with the engine running. Is this still the external regulator system?
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 02:50 PM
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If this is still an external VR, bypass it by jumping terminals F & 3 at the regulator plug, leave the plug disconnected and retest voltage at the battery with it running. If no change there is no alternator output or a wire problem. If there is voltage between approximately 13.8-14.2 with the jumper in place the regulator is bad.
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 03:03 PM
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Hi I have an update - please let me know what you think. I have a black voltage regulator I believe mounted on the firewall. For kicks and giggles, I removed the wire connection to the voltage regulator, scraped a little bit of the inside of the connector and then re-installed the wire connection to the voltage regulator. I started the car at 12.8 V and watched it this time climb to around 13.4 V so I braced myself and drove around the block around 3 times (around 3 miles total) and after letting the car run in the driveway aroud 5 to 10 minutes, I watched the battery go from around 13.8V to around 14.5V (no lights on). Still the Red Generator Light was ON the whole time. I don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but before I removed and reinstalled the wire, I think i didn't notice the voltage climb, but now I see it climb but slowly.

When I put the lights on, the battery immediatley drop to reads around 12.8V and when I turn the lights off, the battery slowly climbs back - probably would take around 8 to 10 minutes to get back to over 14V.

I didn't play with anything else and didn't re-remove or any connections. For the record, I have never seen the GEN light on since we had the car. With my Yukon when when I start the vehicle it immediately jumps to 14.2 V from 12.8 V.

I quite frankly never had the GEN light on before, so I don't know how the charging system normally operates because never checked it. In general, with the car running, no lights, it will go from 12.8 V to 14.5 volts in around 10 minutes or so - it slowly climbs , it is not immediate.

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Old Sep 20, 2023 | 08:08 PM
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Well I started the car again just now (let it cool down after 5 hours ) and it did not charge past 12.8 Volts this time, it just stayed at 12.8 Volts - this time it did not climb.

So I took the voltmeter cap off and tapped each field contact very lightly to see if it was stuck - didn't notice anything funny. Put the cover back on. I went ahead and put a voltmeter on #2 (it read 7.8 volts and just for fun I put a voltmeter on F, 3, and 4 just to see what it said (I don't think this mattered, just mentioned just in case putting a voltmeter probe inside each connector could cause something to change)

I went to the battery and with the engine running, it now says 15.35 V and checked the GEN light and it went out. With the lights on, the battery reads 15.65 Volts. Glad the GEN light is out but that seems high. Anybody run a car that high? Should I still get a new voltage regulator just in case? Weird that just putting a voltmeter inside the regulator caused the voltage to go up so much and for the GEN light to go out.

Sugar Bear - by the way, how would jumping F and 3 cause it to run at 13.8 V. And by the way, you mean just take the connector off and a connect a wire to just F and 3?
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 08:11 PM
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You probably have a bad VR if the voltage is jumping to over 15v.
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 08:44 PM
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You need to verify battery health with a load test. How are the battery cables? 50-year-old cables likely need replacing WITH OEM exact-fit cables.
Clean the grounds to the Alt, VR, battery & engine.
Verify proper Alt belt tension.
THEN test the alternator & VR.
If the Alt is original have it rebuilt or at min don't turn it in for a core charge and get it rebuilt down the road.
If you need a VR get the solid state unit. The Delco cap can be installed on it to look like stock if that's a concern. At minimum keep it for the cap.

Attached is how I test the two components.
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Old Sep 20, 2023 | 08:45 PM
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Yes F and 3 with it unplugged and it will likely exceed 13.8 VDC. I agree with oldcutlass that the VR is bad, since you've seen 15 plus volts the alternator works, replace the VR.
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 10:20 PM
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If the voltage regulator swap doesn’t work, consider pulling the gauge (did they still call it a tell tale?) and see if the bulb isolating gasket is still sound. I.e. not disintegrated.

I had a similar problem long ago and it was actually just light bleed over fron the the GEN-adjacent bulb. The gasket was dust.

Chris
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