please help ID the ratio on my transitional year Cutlass

Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ces
The second owner had the car from around 2000 to late 2013.
I see he last changed the rear end fluid in 2006!
That didn't seem like every two years to me...
Look above that and it says "full - 2004". The only way you fill these is by emptying them first, unless that was just his way of verifying the level was good by sticking his pinky into the bung and check for fluid?

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My mechanic measured the pinion nut very carefully, three different times. It is 1 1/8. Found only on 8.2 rear ends.
True ?
As I suggested, the carrier and axles may have been swapped. That's why I asked if the axle shafts had holes to undo the 4 securing bolts.

Do you have any pics that show the inside of the carrier with the pin and spyder gears showing better?
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:28 PM
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Take wide angle picture and post it . Or pull the yoke and count the spline.
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:31 PM
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Problem is the car is all back together right now if I understood from earlier. Pics would have been nice whilst it was apart. Now the next easiest way is to check those axle shafts. C clip types will not have those axle flange holes.
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
Here is a picture of mine. Tell me one thing, does yours have the little square bumps on the casting collar. I would draw a circle around them but kind of hard on the phone.

Yes, mine has the little square bumps like yours.
Four of them


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Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:33 PM
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out of my 72 cutlass S that is now in my 71 W30...
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Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
Look above that and it says "full - 2004". The only way you fill these is by emptying them first, unless that was just his way of verifying the level was good by sticking his pinky into the bung and check for fluid?

As I suggested, the carrier and axles may have been swapped. That's why I asked if the axle shafts had holes to undo the 4 securing bolts.

Do you have any pics that show the inside of the carrier with the pin and spyder gears showing better?
I'll ask my guy who opened it and took some pics...
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
Take a look under the car (as per this pic) and you'll find the part number of the differential. Should be identical to this.

Sorry I'm having trouble seeing what side of the case I'm lookin at.
Please advise.
And yes, it's all back together now and mechanic has gone home so it's closed for the next few days if not longer.
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:41 PM
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8.5 olds guaranteed. Pull the yoke and count the spline. I learn a lot from Jim just talking to him on the phone.
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sammy
out of my 72 cutlass S that is now in my 71 W30...
Looks like mine.
What is it?
An 8.5 ?
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
8.5 olds guaranteed.
I'm starting to wonder if OPGI meant to say they've only heard of 8.5's in these cars and NOT 8.2's.

70cutty,
What about my pinion nut length matching the 8.2?
And the c clips we saw inside ?
I thought these were only found in 8.2's.
No one has responded to those questions yet...

My audio guy is finishing a repair right now.
Once he's done, I'll take more pics.

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Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:45 PM
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it is a 8.5 10 bolt o type axle...3.42 gear just by the count method...
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Old Jul 30, 2014 | 07:51 PM
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When jaunty asked if you seen the c clip you said no.
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ces
Sorry I'm having trouble seeing what side of the case I'm lookin at. Please advise.
That's the bottom of the differential, looking from the front to back. Note the position of the circular cutouts at the bottom.
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
When jaunty asked if you seen the c clip you said no.
I don't remember doing that and never meant to say that.
I did post a couple times that I DO have c clips.

Either way, I have c clips and the pinion nut specs of the 8.2.

Can any one tell us if the 8.5 had c clips?
Can an 8.5 have the shorter pinion nut that I have?

Thx
Old Jul 30, 2014 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Allan R
That's the bottom of the differential, looking from the front to back. Note the position of the circular cutouts at the bottom.
Ok I'll get on that tomorrow.
Very long day.
Thanks again.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 05:16 AM
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Pull the yoke and count the spline 8.5 30 spline, 8.2 27 spline.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
Pull the yoke and count the spline 8.5 30 spline, 8.2 27 spline.
Ok. But do you mean 28 spline? I haven't seen anything about a 27!
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 05:53 PM
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Have you seen the c clips or are you just going by what the guy said?
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:06 PM
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I was talking about the yoke, not the axles. Earlier I was looking at the pictures on the computer, just wandering how did you confirm that this is 8.2??
Sorry I am posting this from my phone from Philippines, not the greatest connection.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:24 PM
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I see here in the new Summit catalog,
the 8.5 has c clips. And comes with 28 or 30 spline.
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My confusion continues....
I'll Just have my mechanic pull the wheel and count the teeth.
Then I going to find the casting number Allan showed me.
Then I'm likely going to contact Jim.

Thanks again, CO.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
Have you seen the c clips or are you just going by what the guy said?
My extremely competent Mechanic identified that my rear end does have c clips. No I did not see them. But it's irrelevant now as I see both the 8.2 and 8 .5 can have c clips

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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
I was talking about the yoke, not the axles. Earlier I was looking at the pictures on the computer, just wandering how did you confirm that this is 8.2??
Sorry I am posting this from my phone from Philippines, not the greatest connection.
Sorry I do not understand this question if this is a continuation of something you posted earlier please put it altogether at once for me:
because it's like the more we discuss this the more confused I'm getting.
The more people I talk to the more opinions vary or straight up contradict one another....

I ended up having to give my mechanic $280 yesterday and I still don't know what rear end is in my car
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:32 PM
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What you are looking at is spline count for the axles.
Disconnect the driveshaft, pull the yoke out and count the splines. 30 splines 8.5 guaranteed.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:37 PM
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Make this easier on your self, call Jim tomorrow, send him some pictures and see what he says. Jim is like rear end Jedi master.
Sorry about my posting like I said internet connection sucks here.

I firmly believe that you have 8.5 BOP rear end with bolt in axles. Those little square bumps are only on BOP bolt in axles.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:44 PM
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$280 to basically change the fluid and gasket and take a peek?? If so you need a new mechanic my friend. I pay $60-$80 for that.
Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 70cutty
Make this easier on your self, call Jim tomorrow, send him some pictures and see what he says. Jim is like rear end Jedi master.
Sorry about my posting like I said internet connection sucks here.

I firmly believe that you have 8.5 BOP rear end with bolt in axles. Those little square bumps are only on BOP bolt in axles.
Oh ok cool thx.
I'll do that.

Here's opgi listing Auburn and Eaton posi rears for 64-71, and 64-72, respectively, Cutlass models showing 8.2 ONLY

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Old Jul 31, 2014 | 06:51 PM
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If I wasn't out of the country I would help you, to the extent of my limited knowledge. FYI I paid $350 to get my rear end hot tanked, put it all new bearings,seals, posi and gears. That was for labor, Jim supplied the parts. Your competent mechanic is a rip off.
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Any news about the rear end
Old Aug 3, 2014 | 12:18 PM
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Contacted Jim. We're working on it.
I'll be sure to let you know what he says.
Thx
Old Aug 3, 2014 | 04:23 PM
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rear end

The rear end is a 10 bolt 8.5 Corporate gm

It has BOLT IN AXLES
The pictures you showed on this site are all 1o bolt 8.5. Carrier caps with the diamond casting and arrows high on passenger cap and low pointing out on the driver side cap. Then there is the casting BUMPS on the cast collar where the tube presses into the center casting on each side. The Pinion nut will be 1 1/4 socket
The yoke will use 4 bolts and 2 straps.
The rear cover is correct for the OLDS rears all the way to 1971 - 1976

THAT IS NOT A 10 bolt 8.2 c-clip CHEVY rear.

Done.

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Old Aug 3, 2014 | 06:02 PM
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I would go back to that extremely competent mechanic and ask for your money back.
Old Aug 3, 2014 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by monzaz
The rear end is a 10 bolt 8.5 Corporate gm

It has BOLT IN AXLES
The pictures you showed on this site are all 1o bolt 8.5. Carrier caps with the diamond casting and arrows high on passenger cap and low pointing out on the driver side cap. Then there is the casting BUMPS on the cast collar where the tube presses into the center casting on each side. The Pinion nut will be 1 1/4 socket
The yoke will use 4 bolts and 2 straps.
The rear cover is correct for the OLDS rears all the way to 1971 - 1976

THAT IS NOT A 10 bolt 8.2 c-clip CHEVY rear.

Done.

Jim
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Awesome man, thanks so much.
I'll be in touch about a posi setup.
Much appreciated !
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