So how screwed am I
#41
Its laminated but I think I might have thought out a better way. If I pull my stove out and cut both sides of the cabnet in the corner out I could crawl though it and be at the backside of the wall where the bath is. The repair to the side of the cabnet would only be seen if you are getting out a cookie sheet or pull the stove.
#42
Only if I want to work on the back side of the toilet
The other wall is a brick outside wall. It looks like cutting through the side of my cabnets and working in a small cave or ripping out my bathroom walls and tile to pull the tub is my only options.
The other wall is a brick outside wall. It looks like cutting through the side of my cabnets and working in a small cave or ripping out my bathroom walls and tile to pull the tub is my only options.
#44
All depends what the flooring is doing.Some will wrap the flooring up the base of the cabinet, meaning it is glued.If you have hardwood or tile you are looking at least 3/4's of an inch. If a person is lucky they may have done the flooring first, then you could slide it out but on some cardboard. But other wise the only way to pull it out is remove the counter top and lift the base cabinet.
#48
#50
Guys stop it !!! this man is in a lot of trouble and all you want to do is make jokes. Now lets get serious for a while. Have you ever seen the movie The Great Escape? what you need is a Tunnel Rat to dig under the foundation and get it from underneath. Then it will be just like working on the underside of your car.
#53
I've been doing home remodeling for 25 years on my rental properties. Everything, plumbing too. If at all possible go through the kitchen wall, it will be much cheaper and easier. A counter top & cabinet would be easier to replace than pulling tile & removing the tub and the repair would be less noticeable. You should be able to unscrew those and pull them quite easily. If you pull the tub, you would have to get the height of the drain pipe exact and there are rubber washers that go on the drain and overflow under the tub that would be almost impossible to put into position unless you tacky glued them to the drain to hold them in place untill you tightened the drains.
If it is a small bath you may have to remove the sink & toilet too in order to have room to pull the tub. Also, if you have a cast iron tub, you need a strong back.
Anyways, my .02, hope it helps.
If it is a small bath you may have to remove the sink & toilet too in order to have room to pull the tub. Also, if you have a cast iron tub, you need a strong back.
Anyways, my .02, hope it helps.
#54
Richard,
Maybe what I am visualizing would help clarify the situation.
Brick exterior wall with tub againist it then toilet on the bathroom side
Brick exterior wall with kitchen corner cabinet the stove on the kitchen side of the wall.
Right?
If I am correct, your plan to pull the stove, then work in from the side of the adjacent kitchen cabinet to the corner cabinet, to the back side of the bath wall sound like the best solution.
I know you've got a full plate. Good luck. If I may parapharse you. " Pulling the stove is your first bite out of the elephant.
Maybe what I am visualizing would help clarify the situation.
Brick exterior wall with tub againist it then toilet on the bathroom side
Brick exterior wall with kitchen corner cabinet the stove on the kitchen side of the wall.
Right?
If I am correct, your plan to pull the stove, then work in from the side of the adjacent kitchen cabinet to the corner cabinet, to the back side of the bath wall sound like the best solution.
I know you've got a full plate. Good luck. If I may parapharse you. " Pulling the stove is your first bite out of the elephant.
#55
- Eric
#57
missed that one flew right over my head.I had dug a tunnel once with another guy. Was a seniors complex, when the plumbers put the main sewer in they started at both ends, the ends were high and the middle was low What is needed is at least a 1/4 slope on 4 feet. **** don't run in both directions, well in this case it did and went no where.Then 8 inches of concrete was poured, with heated floors. When people where moving in, the sewer wasn't working, always plugged up.Then they figured what was the problem, another problem they had, they didn't even know where the main clean out was, I had to show them where it was. Then cut out sections of the hall way. So the myself and another guy have the job to dig out the pipe under the slab. We dug 21 feet to get to the clean out and about 3 by 3 round hole.little shovels and a home made sled to move this dirt, what fun. Just a good thing one of us didn't let one rip.
Last edited by Kyle's 77 Cutlass; January 18th, 2011 at 09:51 AM.
#59
so you have a lazy Susan in the corner? You could pull the door off if that gives you enough room to get at it. You cut the side of the cabinet out then you would have plenty of room then to get in there. That case you would be better to pull off the counter, as long you don't have tile for a back splash. Go from under the counter top, pull the screws out, unhook the plumbing from the sink and move the counter. Before you move it, take a knife and cut the silicone along the wall and counter
Last edited by Kyle's 77 Cutlass; January 18th, 2011 at 11:17 AM.
#61
This way you will have plenty of room to work and less dust to contend with. To move the counter it would take 2 people.I would do this before I cut the cabinet. As long you use the same screws to put back in the counter top, you will have no worries.
#62
It looks like you can get to it just fine by going through the cabinets, one way or the other.
As Kyle said, laminated countertops come right off - it's surprising how easily they lift up once everything is disconnected.
When you're all done, be sure to find the builder and punch him in the nose - there's no excuse for leaving you no access like that.
- Eric
As Kyle said, laminated countertops come right off - it's surprising how easily they lift up once everything is disconnected.
When you're all done, be sure to find the builder and punch him in the nose - there's no excuse for leaving you no access like that.
- Eric
#63
Gary
X2 what Eric said about the builder
Last edited by Schne442; January 18th, 2011 at 11:42 AM.
#65
I would use the sump pump method ...
#66
I was looking at my counter tops from underneath tonight and there is no showing anywhere and the are mounted solidly to the base. I am guessing there are screws from the top down under the lamenated tops.
#67
well how old is the counter, the screws should be in the front and back.Should be strips of wood going across the cabinets, front and back. Should be screws there.Or if it is a old counter top, may of been built in place, then ya you are done for. No choice but to go trough the cabinet.
#68
From the tub drain hole, can you see any evidence of the drain going through sand or dirt or concrete?
I was lucky enough to have pictures of the drain setups when the house was built. One tub drain was concreted, the other not (just sand).
(Given the ants, you might have sand there.)
If you are sure it runs through concrete, you would have to pull the tub.
I just hate to see you tear up the cabinets only to find the drain concreted under the tub. One room tore up is bad enough......
I was lucky enough to have pictures of the drain setups when the house was built. One tub drain was concreted, the other not (just sand).
(Given the ants, you might have sand there.)
If you are sure it runs through concrete, you would have to pull the tub.
I just hate to see you tear up the cabinets only to find the drain concreted under the tub. One room tore up is bad enough......
#69
Rob,
I think there should be a hole in the slab for the trap. I'm with you, I sure would like to know more before Richard starts tearing out counter tops and cabinets.
BTW Trying to dig in from the exterior is going to run into a footing for the slab and won't work IMHO
I think there should be a hole in the slab for the trap. I'm with you, I sure would like to know more before Richard starts tearing out counter tops and cabinets.
BTW Trying to dig in from the exterior is going to run into a footing for the slab and won't work IMHO
#70
Not wanting to pry into personal space, just trying to suggest something to help. Could you take some photos of the bottom side of the cabinets and perhaps that corner? It might help a few of these guys that have building experience figure out the best way for you to get in that corner.
#72
Good Luck
Gary
#73
However, after the trap is installed, and before the tub is set, some contractors will fill the hole with sand (good) and some will fill the hole with cement!
My builder did it both ways. The big marble tub drain cutout was filled with cement, the regular tub drain cutout was filled with sand.
With Richard's drain pipe being broke, I was hoping he could at least peek in and see what is under there.
HEY - get out the sawzall and just cut an access hole in the skirt of the tub itself if it is stamped steel. Just like working on a quarter panel. Afterwards just make up a cover of some sort...
Weld in a plate, sand, bondo, repaint!
#74
The drain to the house is not broken. The part that is broken is the threaded piece under the opening of the tub itself. Once I get access behind the tub I don't seeing this as a big deal to fix.
#75
I think that if you pull out the entire back panal on the cabinet you could sit inside and open the wall up. The more I think about it that is the way I would go.
KISS ( keep it simple stupid) LOL
Gary
#76
Yep you should have enough room in that cabinet, it's a bloody corner cabinet, plenty of room. When you cut the side of the box , make sure you have a good skillsaw blade with lots of teeth, you should get no less than a 40 tooth. The more teeth the nicer the cut.Give your self some level lines , cut fairly straight. Another thing you can do,when you are almost done, get some casing, install the casing around the piece you cut out and put it back in the hole. Nail the casing to the cabinet ,but don't use more than a 3/4 nail. You may get away with a 1 inch pending on the thickness of you casing Their you go clean from the out side and if you ever have to get in there again it will be easy
#78
Oh, hey stop before you do anything, light bulb came on. What type of tub is it, the old metal one's or an fiberglass tub. If it is a fiberglass tub the skirting may come off. Some tubs come like that so you can get access to the drains and this case may be why your tub is where it is. If their is a skirting that you can remove, you should tell very easy, be a deep line going across the tub.
#79