Cincinnati Rick

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Cincinnati Rick

Here's a video when the owner bought it back in 1998 that the previous owner sent to him. It was for sale in 2016 for $150k

Vader

Looks like the guy is saying it could be a fake w30.. converted from regular 442..
From the ad:
"I bought car as real W30, but after consulting with Oldsmobile expert Stephen Minore, he said the engine and chassis are matching numbers, but the OW transmission was re-stamped and early production doesn't match his W30 production database. I'm going to believe his expertise and agree the W30 components are a conversion.
442 has 3228 miles on odometer since frame off restoration in 1996."

no1oldsfan

Amen Vader. Good call.

125 Grand that better be a proven car head to toe. Day one to today.

Beautiful car but that car is almost too perfect. My guess would be that the seller overpaid and knows it. Trying to jump the current Oldsmobile wave and try to send it down the line. Exactly why I bitch about fakes 👍 People come at me all the time with Oh a buyer should do their homework. Once a fake car gets sold over and over someone gets screwed. I give the seller Huge props for admitting it.

70W-32

This car was posted on Facebook. It is not a W-30. Steve Minore went over the car, and told the guy it wasn't real. The trans tag is a restamp, the Font is wrong, and the build number doesnt jive with the build date. Everything on this car was added to make it appear to be a real W-30. The current owner admitted that it wasnt real, then deleted his post when he was called out for asking W-30 money for a clone

OLDSter Ralph

He didn't volunteer that its was a "conversion" (Tribute, clone, replica, facsimile, and a dozen other words). He got caught with a fake. Burying the admission in the description subtley keeps him from being jailed, sued or whatever for fraud.
....Just my two cents worth.

twilightblue28A

The car is beautiful, heavily optioned, W27 carrier. Long term owner (24) years. He consulted Steven Minore and the seller disclosed that his car is not a W-30. I see no deception.
Gorgeous car, gorgeous color.

Any member in the seller's area to look at the car?? Please send me a private message. Thank you!!

Andy

Wow…he got took if it was sold to him as a #’s matching w30, I believe I would be thinking about legal action. What a horrible thing, if he was in fact trying to pass it off too, then thats just as low. Hard to believe he has no documentation to prove the car from the previous owner, ie, he was told but didn’t get anything of proof. Unbelievable..like Ronald Reagan always said…trust, but verify

Cincinnati Rick

You are correct. I've added some ??? to the thread title....lol

rickw30

I know this car and I know the person who restored it. It was a real W30 when sold.
I will add that current owner will not loose money on this car.

rickw30

I know this car and I know the person who restored it. It was a real W30 when sold.
I will add that current owner will not loose money on this car.

twilightblue28A

I am looking for someone near Colorado Springs to look at this car. I will pay your time and expenses. Please send me a private message.
Thank you!!

capstoneclub

So if the car was a real W30 before, it would have to be real now, correct? Obviously the OW stamp is the wrong font, but the TAG itself and the rivet look pretty real. I guess that leads to the production date issue being too early to have been a W30 produced car coming into question. I have no knowledge myself, not enough details, but we have seen 70-442 verts selling in the $125-150k range . Although, those are usually well documented/restored cars w/4 speed trans. I agree that the seller will not lose money on the car, just a guess.

Andy

It stands to reason if it was a real , documented W30 then the guy you know should have the documents to prove it is.. the current owner states he was never given documented proof and has asked several times for this info from the previous owner with no response? So does your friend have the docs to prove it and refuses to give them to the current owner? Or did he never have docs and just decided it must be a W30 because it had many of the attributes? Seems to me like this could easily be resolved if any docs exist. Steve Minore obviously disagrees on its provenance. . Car sold for 150,000, listed now at 114,000.. thats a 36,000 loss.

twilightblue28A

I thought the car is priced at $124,990.00??
I am still looking for someone near Colorado Springs to look at this car. I will pay your time and expenses. Please send me a private message.
Thank you!!
Edit

Andy

I saw it this morning on an Oldsmobile FB site advertised at 114,900.00

ts71442

TwilightBlue,

Were you able to make contact with the seller? The contact information has been removed from the OldsmobileCentral Ad.

I may be interested if you decide to pass. Please send the contact information if you decide to pass.

thanks,

Andy

If your serious about the car call Steve Minore, he can fill you in as he has already reviewed the car and is an expert on these cars. Sure he will charge you for his report but it will be thorough

twilightblue28A

Correct!! My mistake. The car was originally on Oldscentral for $114,994.00. Sorry for my error.

twilightblue28A

Thank you for being considerate. Yes, I have spoken to the seller at length. I promise to keep you informed. I'm waiting for someone to contact me to look at the car. I live in Philly and I intend to fly out to Colorado Springs after my contact sees the car. If I pass on the car, or we can't agree on a price, I will share my knowledge of the car with you if you would like.

twilightblue28A

Andy,
I know Steven Minore. Fyi: The seller has not, retained Steven. My understanding is the seller has used Steven's name to infer that Steven has examined the car. Steven hasn't examined the car. Draw whatever conclusions you may from my information.

twilightblue28A

Did you buy this car?
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twilightblue28A

Fyi: I emailed the seller this afternoon and he responded telling me that he has sold his car. Case closed. Next case.....

BangScreech4-4-2

By the owner's admission, this appears not to be the case.

capstoneclub

Did I read in another ad that the car was not originally an aegean aqua color as it was factory white? If correct, I assume that would have effected the price a bit.

Andy

I hear the car sold, looked like a nice restoration..just to much crap going on with the car as far as it being sold as a true W car, then , no its not, w ho inows, it may be a cutlass repurposed to appear like a 442 with W 30 options added. The whole story was not being told.

ts71442

I did not purchase the vehicle. His contact information was removed and Twilight Blue had first dibs from this site.

no1oldsfan

Rick W-30;

I know this car and I know the person who restored it. It was a real W30 when sold.
I will add that current owner will not loose money on this car.

Exactly. But still people are ok with it. Oh but...

Nickyloves442s

I can look at it for you. 720-275-3124

BangScreech4-4-2

Nice of you, but according to the other posts here, it looks like the car sold.