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Old Aug 14, 2013 | 01:23 PM
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Snakebit's numbers matching 350 rebuild

Going to try and document the work being done to my 71 Cutlass. I don't have the skill or energy to do this myself so a good friend and his shop's mechanic are handling everything but the machine shop work.
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Cutlass' name
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Preparing for leakdown test
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leak down ranged from 25% to 80%

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Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:27 PM
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Where was it leaking? Through the valve covers, the carb, or the exhaust? Which cylinders? The results and source of the leak will determine where the problem is.

I posted this link in your previous post for reference:

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?for...13765156841128
Old Aug 14, 2013 | 02:35 PM
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through the carb and out the exhaust depending on which cylinder... the 1 cylinder that was 80% was through the carb, as well as 2 others.

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Old Aug 14, 2013 | 08:09 PM
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If your not going to beat it like a rented mule you can probably get away with a good valve job. What are your plans?
Old Aug 15, 2013 | 02:10 AM
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full rebuild while we are at it - do it right

starting to look for parts - ie pistons, rings, manifold, water pump, oil pump, good gasket set....

finding that parts are not that plentiful

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Old Aug 15, 2013 | 06:19 AM
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Go to Egge.com for stock:

http://www.egge.com/kits?make=OLDSMOBILE
Old Aug 15, 2013 | 06:43 AM
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Great site, thanks
Old Aug 16, 2013 | 10:46 AM
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Money starts flowing -

Just ordered a few parts we are going to replace, intake manifold (e-brock), new correct dual exhaust cast iron manifolds (fusick) and an ARP head stud set for SBO350... so far

Most parts will be ordered after the machine shop is done checking block and heads out....

I decided that it was worth having this all done right.

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Any additional recommendations for EGGE.com or anywhere else for pistons, cam set, etc etc

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Old Aug 16, 2013 | 12:47 PM
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if it is a keeper,a total rebuilt is best.
Old Aug 16, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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Keep us posted on your progress. And share what machine shop your using if your happy as there are a lot of N Texas members who may need this service in the future.
Old Aug 19, 2013 | 01:55 PM
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Initial engine disassembly

I think the bearings show some wear....

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Glad I didn't just do a valve job...

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Old Aug 19, 2013 | 05:24 PM
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Ok but don't use their pistons. For literally just a few bucks more you can get much better stuff
Old Aug 19, 2013 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Ok but don't use their pistons. For literally just a few bucks more you can get much better stuff
where do you recommend going for pistons - not much choice at JEGS
Old Aug 20, 2013 | 05:33 AM
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Look for the L2321F pistons at the very least.
Regular Clevite bearings are fine as well as a Sealed power, Fel Pro or similar gasket set. Look for a Sealed Power 260-1008 gasket set.

Egge pistons are in the $300.00+ range. You should be able to get the L2321's for just a few bucks more than that.
Old Aug 20, 2013 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Look for the L2321F pistons at the very least.
Regular Clevite bearings are fine as well as a Sealed power, Fel Pro or similar gasket set. Look for a Sealed Power 260-1008 gasket set.

Egge pistons are in the $300.00+ range. You should be able to get the L2321's for just a few bucks more than that.
I'd love to, what brand are L2321F pistons and can you recommend a vendor?

I did find the L2321F30 at Summit
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/trw-l2321f30

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Old Aug 27, 2013 | 11:39 PM
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Bump. I would also like to know more about the pistons. I plan to a 71 engine rebuild also.
Old Aug 28, 2013 | 01:08 AM
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new correct dual exhaust cast iron manifolds (fusick)
So you know Oldsmobile never made a specific set of manifolds for dual exhaust for the SBO. All they ever did was to cap the receiver port on the passenger side manifold and run a different head pipe on the drivers side.

These (I hope) are what you bought. Thornton developed them for guys that wanted a better flowing manifold for the small block without having to jump to headers.
http://thorntonmusclecars.com/produc...aust-manifolds

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Old Aug 30, 2013 | 01:04 PM
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Just started opening boxes and the manifolds are Thornton 350JR
Old Aug 30, 2013 | 04:00 PM
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Bump. I would also like to know more about the pistons. I plan to a 71 engine rebuild also.
There aren't a whole lot of choices of good ones that will still have reasonable compression.
The best and safest right now would have to be the Speed Pro L2321F. You should be able to find them on the net.

Good luck!!
Old Sep 23, 2013 | 02:40 PM
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Machine shop done with block, heads, crank etc

Couple of pics as my buddies shop begins reassembly

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more pics to follow this week

Machine shop used is Kim Barr Racing Engines, Dallas TX
stock motor w/ mild cam
Old Sep 23, 2013 | 02:46 PM
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The main saddles were in spec?
You have better luck than I do. The ones I've had are almost never even close.
Old Sep 23, 2013 | 02:51 PM
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A few pics of new parts (like Christmas here)

New Thornton 350JR's

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Edelbrock 2711 intake

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Old Sep 23, 2013 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
The main saddles were in spec?
You have better luck than I do. The ones I've had are almost never even close.
Kim and my buddy go way back and I am under the impression that it was all spec'd out properly.

the previous block was already +.030 and just to clean up the cylinders it is now +.040 (4.097 bore)

bearings are all +.020 after crank clean up

I need some luck, this whole expense was not planned for -
Old Sep 23, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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What pistons? Cam?
Old Sep 23, 2013 | 06:38 PM
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Speed-Pro-TR...d406fe&vxp=mtr

$360 the set?

so far so good

The runners look small on that intake. More of a low rpm unit? Compare to the runners on the 66 toronado intake for sale in other current thread. 3-4 fingers wide.

Is there a casting number on that non-factory RH SE manifold? What markings does it bear? You'd think they would give it a large ID also, like "4.5" - more advanced than the #4, less than the #5...
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cutlassefi
What pistons? Cam?
Sealed Power 4.097 bore - stock replacement - fairly low compression as the 71 was...

all new sealed power valves as well

comp cam 260H, again fairly mild

Just looking for a cruiser that will run on todays gasoline
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 05:17 AM
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Sealed Power 4.097 bore - stock replacement - fairly low compression as the 71 was...
all new sealed power valves as well
comp cam 260H, again fairly mild
Just looking for a cruiser that will run on todays gasoline
Looks like you'll hit your mark!
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 06:24 AM
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I ran the 260h cam. It sounds great even with manifolds and cheap turbo mufflers. It made plenty of grunt.
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 06:49 AM
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Mufflers

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I ran the 260h cam. It sounds great even with manifolds and cheap turbo mufflers. It made plenty of grunt.
My 66 El Camino has long tube headers and flowmasters... looking for a little quieter until I step into it - also a little classier for the Cutlass

Thinking about MagnaFlow - any suggestions?
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 07:10 AM
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There is a clip of my dad car isling with the 350 and the 260h cam with manifolds and thrush turbo mufflers I'll share the link later . I can't off my phone. But it has a nice sound not too loud just enough to let you know there is a v8 under the hood.
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 01:00 PM
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proper color on block

While waiting for bearings to arrive tomorrow - painting block with some high dollar paint from Fusick -
glad its available - nothing even close in Dallas

looking good

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more pics soon
Old Sep 24, 2013 | 01:08 PM
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Here is how it sounds with manifolds and 2 1/4 in. pipes with thrush turbo mufflers

Old Sep 24, 2013 | 01:09 PM
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here is what it used sounded like with headers and 2.5 in. exhaust with hooker aero chambers dumping at the rear axle. ( on high idle )

Old Sep 28, 2013 | 01:00 PM
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progress at Cragg Rod N Custom, Garland Tx

Now that the proper 2 piece rear main seal arrived - things are starting to move at my friends shop

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Old Oct 12, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Done and back home

Picked up from Cragg Rod N Custom, Garland TX
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Old Oct 12, 2013 | 09:56 AM
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Looks good!
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