Quench, How Much Does It Matter?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 31, 2025 | 07:10 PM
  #1  
olds70supreme's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 389
Quench, How Much Does It Matter?

I'm spec'ing out my short block. For multiple reasons I'm probably going to stick w/ my #5 heads, but want to leave open the possibility of changing to the Edelbrock SB heads at some point. Because of the difference in chamber sizes I will need different head gasket thicknesses in order to keep the compression ratio manageable around 9.8, which means w/ the iron heads I would end up w/ a quench of 0.060" and w/ the aluminum heads it would end up being 0.036". What does "optimal" quench depend on, specifically for these Olds heads?
Old Jan 31, 2025 | 07:48 PM
  #2  
olds 307 and 403's Avatar
Out of Line, Everytime😉
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 10,160
From: Melville, Saskatchewan
The usual number is .040". It can be risky once you start going below that number. More of a chance of parts hitting, especially with high lift cams and higher rpm. Go way above, I had pinging with .065" on a 9.6 to 1 motor with a small cam with 91.
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 05:25 AM
  #3  
cutlassefi's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,506
From: Central Fl
Originally Posted by olds70supreme
I'm spec'ing out my short block. For multiple reasons I'm probably going to stick w/ my #5 heads, but want to leave open the possibility of changing to the Edelbrock SB heads at some point. Because of the difference in chamber sizes I will need different head gasket thicknesses in order to keep the compression ratio manageable around 9.8, which means w/ the iron heads I would end up w/ a quench of 0.060" and w/ the aluminum heads it would end up being 0.036". What does "optimal" quench depend on, specifically for these Olds heads?
Not sure what your current heads are, but 5, 6, and 7 heads are typically 68-70cc’s, not the 64 you see stated in most places. New Edelbrocks are 68cc.
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:35 AM
  #4  
olds70supreme's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 389
Originally Posted by cutlassefi
Not sure what your current heads are, but 5, 6, and 7 heads are typically 68-70cc’s, not the 64 you see stated in most places. New Edelbrocks are 68cc.
Thanks - I should be able to verify the actual volume soon. What is the ideal range for quench using Olds heads?
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 08:59 AM
  #5  
67OAI's Avatar
Old(s)GuysRule
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,568
From: S.E.Georgia
With steel connecting rods recommend 0.040" to 0.045" quench. Factory used a steel shim head gasket of about 0.017" compressed and the deck clearance was generally around 0.025", provides total quench of about 0.042"!
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 11:41 AM
  #6  
olds70supreme's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 389
The reference to steel rods makes it sound like quench is just a valve clearance consideration, which makes sense that that would be the primary consideration. Beyond that, though, what is optimal? Is the goal to have the piston as close as possible to the head without interfering with the valve in order to get peak power and efficiency?
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 01:48 PM
  #7  
VC455's Avatar
Barely Registered
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 2,650
From: Gillespie County, Republic of Texas
Originally Posted by olds70supreme
The reference to steel rods makes it sound like quench is just a valve clearance consideration, which makes sense that that would be the primary consideration. Beyond that, though, what is optimal? Is the goal to have the piston as close as possible to the head without interfering with the valve in order to get peak power and efficiency?
The goal is to get the head-to-piston clearance near 40 thousandths.

Closer than that risks clash of piston and head under very high RPM.

Wider than that risks ignition of the mixture in that clearance volume. That would create knock and piston damage.
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 03:29 PM
  #8  
67OAI's Avatar
Old(s)GuysRule
 
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,568
From: S.E.Georgia
olds70supreme, the issue is not about piston to valve clearance but piston to cylinder head clearance as mentioned above by VC455. Piston to valve clearance in a second generation Oldsmobile motor is not an issue unless you will be incorporating a radical camshaft grind. You need to consider the dynamic of the piston rocking in the cylinder, clearances being taken up during acceleration and deceleration, heat expansion of the metal, etc. We state that 0.040" quench is the goal, more if using aluminum rods; and yes, too much quench invites detonation! No doubt there are some folks out there that run a tighter quench than 0.040" but I would not want to say to you that 0.036" is safe and then have you crying because you had a piston strike the cylinder head and maybe break a ring land! Try to stay within that 0.040" to 0.045" quench regardless which cylinder head you are using.
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 03:36 PM
  #9  
oddball's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,148
From: Plano, TX
How much does it matter? Not much, really. But 40 thou is the general rule of thumb for pump gas engines.
The easiest thing to do is use a 0.040" head gasket and zero deck the block. Poof! A perfect 40 thou quench.
Old Feb 1, 2025 | 04:50 PM
  #10  
cutlassefi's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,506
From: Central Fl
Originally Posted by oddball
How much does it matter? Not much, really.
^^^^^^
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
philv1983
Non-Olds Engines
2
Aug 18, 2024 07:38 AM
marxjunk
Racing and High Performance
2
Jul 30, 2016 07:44 PM
Fletchmo72
Small Blocks
14
Jul 18, 2016 01:01 PM
olds4life
Big Blocks
3
Dec 25, 2012 12:56 AM
BlueBlock350
Small Blocks
4
Jun 24, 2008 07:11 AM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:56 AM.