Al,

Great news! Got the 7111 for 50 bucks, needs a bit of a wire brush and some paint, but it fits great!

I mocked it up, the air cleaner clears the hood by about 3/4''.

Here are some pics of the disassembly.

 

Sounds good Tony.
Don't forget to change your oil after you're done. That coolant isn't going to help it any. BTW, that valley looks pretty darn clean!

 

I used some of that engine cleaning stuff before i put the car away for the winter. I've had the car 3 years, probably changed the oil 6 times and put on 500 miles lol.

Here's a picture of the freshly painted intake.

 

Look very nice !

 

THanks!

Question, so what do i do for the turkey tray gasket? Currently i have a metal one, it cleaned up really nice, should i be replacing it? Or just Going wild with the RTV gasket maker? I plan on being quite generous.

 

Since you have an aluminum intake, I'd follow Steve's (ah64pilot) advice on this link: https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...tml#post387299 (permalink 15).
Your question about the turkey tray is answered in permalink 17 of the same thread (reply by oldsmaniac)

 

How soon will you have it running????????? =D

 

Tony, next time don't be afraid to crank your car up and move it closer to the outlet / welder. An engine runs without a radiator for a few minutes every time you start it...then the thermostat opens and coolant flows.

Don't listen to that Steve guy, he doesn't know what he's talking about lol!

For EVERYONE, especially if you have an aluminum intake use STAINLESS STEEL BOLTS for the water neck. It is an open hole exposed to water, of course OEM or cheap bolts will corrode and gall in the aluminum. Stainless will help resist the corrosion. Also, finger paint a thin coat of ultra copper on both sides of the gasket surface...All of it. Lay it flat on the manifold, then place your water neck straight down on it, then install your brand new STAINLESS STEEL BOLTS and you won't have this problem again. And if you're using a torque wrench on a water neck something is wrong with you lol! Snug it up and add 1/4 - 1/2 turn, it doesn't have a load on it...don't be he-man haha!

 

I notice this a lot when people are putting things back together.

 

Wait a second! So no high temp gasket maker on the water neck?? Just copper anti-seize??

For the turkey tray, what do you suggest? I've been looking through that link Al posted and I'm still confused

Should i just ditch the tray completely and use RTV? I did that in my marine engine and she hasn't blown out yet. Maybe I've just been lucky... Bloody turkey tray is 50 dollars up here in canada

 

I think he means copper RTV, Tony.

- Eric

 

OH, see, i learn something new everyday.

Update on fitment. it fits SO MUCH BETTER without the stupid end seals... is that normal?

Heres a picture, let me know what you guys think.

 

It always amazes me when lazy/ cheap mechanics won't lube fasteners correctly upon assembly. Sure, it's not probably THEIR problem when it has to come apart next time, but it's SOMEONE'S problem. Look at aggravation and cost incurred because someone skipped 20c worth of anti sieze and the 5 minutes to apply it.

Good thing we're not trying to win WWII with that kind of work ethic.

 

If you have a welder Take a nut and weld it back on the top and remove it with a wrench.

 

Last guy than owned my car was a shitty website designer from out in the sticks.

I wish I could give him a piece of my mind, but it's prolly not worth wasting the energy..

 

Stainless bolts for water necks are a great uprade. I prefer stainless studs and nuts. For a different look use stainless hex head bolts and flat washers for manifold bolts.

 

Yeah Tony, Ultra Copper high temp RTV lol! You're crazy! If you hold the gasket in one hand and use a finger to paint it on each side of the gasket then you can set it down on the intake and it'll be a really clean installation.

 

Tony jeez Louise I have a 455 intake and you would be welcome to it I can not believe you have ended up so deep I. The sh:-) thole I would still have Yvette performer fixed and sell her to recoup the costs. Sorry to hear bro

 

That's not a 455, but I'll take it if you're just giving it away I mean, the next one that I don't have yet will still need a manifold lol!

 

Hey Steve! I see you got in on the cartoonize thing too! Whattaya need another 455 for? I thought you were gonna go Cummins...

 

Awe man, you know me...I couldn't do that to a Cutlass...maybe a Monte Carlo or something lol!

Hey, I sold the L32 engine already. I'm gonna get a 455 / TH400 from a member here...I've already got it planned. I just don't think I can handle living with a garage that doesn't have a 455 on a stand. I've had at least one on the stand for the last 3 years...it just doesn't feel right having an empty stand sitting there lol!

 

Congrats on the 350 sale. I hope 808Cutlass (i think) will be really happy with it. I can't believe how much this thread got jacked. Good thing Tony is such a nice guy.

You don't need another 455 right now my man. You need to get an air conditioner that works and spend some time with your kids.

If you think having an empty engine stand is bad, wait till the kids start leaving home.

 

It's one of those deals that's too good to pass up...I can't say no. It'll sit for a while, but at least if I have it I can play with it when I get bored you know? My kids are good, they're going to Dallas with me tomorrow. We're going to spend a week at the Embassy suites and take them to the Great Wolf Lodge water park.

I need a break from the cars...but an engine on a stand with a 10 year build plan...that's a pace I can keep lol!

 

I heard of Great Wolf Lodge. They had an "Undercover Boss" episode last year to see how the customer service was. Needed huge improvement in the check-in procedures, but in the swimming areas your kids will be 110% safe. They run practice drills with the lifeguards every so often while customers are in the pool. Get ready for a hot humid experience. If I was them I'd be serving ice cold brewskies for the adults.

Have a great trip and enjoy your time away from the man cave.

 

Shoot! The one in Dallas is indoors...it can't be any worse than it was all this week working in the garage.

 

So what do you guys think about intake gasket style?

Turkey Tray
or
Two Piece set
or
Generously slap RTV around all ports and stick the manifold on.

I'm kinda on the fence...

 

Tony, the turkey tray was to protect against oil burning on the bottom of the stock intakes (cast iron). As you know they build heat fast and retain the heat. You may be able to get away from that with your 7111 because it's aluminum and dissipates heat faster. I think this is going to come down to personal choice though. I don't see the disadvantage (other than $$$) of the turkey tray going in though. I would love to be there to help you with that; I know they can be a real PITA.

 

You are fine using a turkey tray...just don't use the end gaskets. On a turkey tray, torque sequence is crucial. Make sure you follow the service manual.

 

Used turkey tray, followed the torque sequence per CSM.

Put some gasket junk over the water ports (I REALLY hope i dont get a leak) Knowing me then i probably will...

We'll see when i fire her up after work today. fingers crossed boys...

 

Although, i'll be really honest, i put ALOT of RTV around the end seals.... not sure i put enough though. I found the compound kind of runny. Sure hope it seals....

I have a feeling i'm going to be worrying about this all day at work.

 

Which one did you use? I always use Ultra Copper...I lay a fat bead on the end rail and then I follow it up with a thin bead on top of that just to make sure I have enough.

 

Yeah that's exactly what i used. Looks to be pretty tough stuff too.

 

ALSO IF ANYONE IS TRYING TO INSTALL A 7111 INTAKE ON YOUR OLDSMOBILE. READ THE MANUAL.

You need to have a couple extra exhaust manifold bolts handy. If you use regular bolts in cylinders 4 and 6, you will be unable to fit a socket.

Take it from me, luckily i had a few extra lying around.

 

GUESS WHAT EVERYONE!?

THE CUTLASS RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Minor coolant leak through one of the hoses (I didnt tighten it enough) Might get a new clamp, but HOLY GEEZ does the car respond better. She moves really well even under part throttle.

Current Specs:

Idle Speed in PARK: 750 RPM
@ 750 RPM: -21 on my vacuum gauge
temperature: No idea, gauge not hooked up

the idle sounds a "little" more rough. I think i just need to adjust my mixture, but the car fired up within 7-10 seconds of cranking the starter.

 

Great to hear it!

- Eric

 

Congrats Tony! Check that hose clamp again after the car has had a chance to run and cool down. Just to be sure. You're pulling really good vacuum.

 

Thanks Al, Thanks Eric,

Guys, i painted a light coat of Permatex's Moto1 Ultra Grey gasket maker on the Intake gasoline side, and used Copper gasket maker on the water ports and front/rear rails.

I read the MSDS of most of the permatex products, Moto1 was the only one that resists gasoline, so that's why i chose it.

 

Gentlemen,

Youtube video,

Please post your comments.

 

Looks and sounds good Tony

 

You might look for a stock A4 intake in a wrecking yard. They are as good as your Performer, and they can usually be bought very cheap. Pull the EGR tubes out and plug the holes with socket head plugs. The threads are standard pipe thread so plugs are easy to come by at your favorite hardware store. Do not buy an A5, small ports for small port heads.