What qualifies as a "Land Yacht?"
January 13th, 2011, 03:02 PM
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This is the biggest problem with the Holiday. This section of rust behind the rear driver's side door goes all the way through everything thats there. There is a bit on the running board near the BBF trim as well. I guess I can cut it all out and use the LS for a perfect match. I would have to take the front driver's side door off the LS as well due to a horrible old bondo repair.
January 19th, 2011, 01:17 PM
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do you have any pic's of the second car posted.Many times it is easier to exchange interior but depends.I for instance have one car that has little to no interior so I will have to figure out what I want to do.The blue one doesn't look all that bad but body work can be a real pain and doesn't always hold up here in the rust belt of ny.My blue 67 has rust issues that need to taken care of but the funds arn't there.
January 19th, 2011, 09:59 PM
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January 20th, 2011, 08:44 PM
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Oh I know of redneck repairs seen many and have done a few over time to get by in a pinch.I didn't have much in the funds dept when I did my blue car it needed metal work but had to do bondo for the time being and that never holds up in NY.What ever you decide should be decent in the end and as long as you enjoy it and drive it thats all that matters.
January 21st, 2011, 04:29 AM
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One of my early cars was a beautiful 1971 Caddy Coupe Deville that I bought soon after college. Caddy two doors were the same size as the 4 doors. From looking at an early 70's 98 at a cruise night it appeared that they were roughly the same size.
March 19th, 2011, 05:29 PM
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which body is in better overall condition, the LS or the Holiday? I would go with the one that had the best overall body and just work from there.. Just my 2-cents...
I always liked those 6-window sedans over the Holiday Sedans... GM tried to mimick that design (somewhat) in '75 and '76 with the B and C-body cars with that rear quarter window...
I always liked those 6-window sedans over the Holiday Sedans... GM tried to mimick that design (somewhat) in '75 and '76 with the B and C-body cars with that rear quarter window...
May 8th, 2011, 09:00 PM
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Blue one is a '73 Buick Electra "duece and a quarter". Those who think the 80-85 cars qualify as huge are sadly mistaken. The '84 Lesabre almost disapears between the other 2 cars. The red one is a '94 Caprice of the '91-'96 bubble b-body family and it's much longer than the '84 is.
By the way the Blue car is a Buick 455/th400, the brown car has the Olds 307 with a 200-4r, and the red car has the Chevy L99 4.3 V8 (baby LT1) with a 4l60e.
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By the way the Blue car is a Buick 455/th400, the brown car has the Olds 307 with a 200-4r, and the red car has the Chevy L99 4.3 V8 (baby LT1) with a 4l60e.
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May 9th, 2011, 10:17 AM
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^^^^
that 91-96 Caprice is the same length as the 1977-1985 Buick LeSabre, Olds 88, and Pontiac Bonneville, as well as the 1977-90 Chevrolet Caprice, and 1983-86 Pontiac Parisienne... The rounded body just gives it a "longer" appearance... The B sedans from 1977-1996 rode on a 115.9 inch wheelbase with overall length of 212"-215"... The differences in length were in bumper changes
that 91-96 Caprice is the same length as the 1977-1985 Buick LeSabre, Olds 88, and Pontiac Bonneville, as well as the 1977-90 Chevrolet Caprice, and 1983-86 Pontiac Parisienne... The rounded body just gives it a "longer" appearance... The B sedans from 1977-1996 rode on a 115.9 inch wheelbase with overall length of 212"-215"... The differences in length were in bumper changes
May 9th, 2011, 12:21 PM
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The chassis stayed the same but the body definitely grew in '91. They basically dropped a longer, wider, rounder body on the old chassis and called it a day. That's the reason why the 91+ cars have the rear wheels almost tucked into the rear doors. Also the reason why the rear windows only go down half way, there just wasn't enough room in the bottom of the door to put them all the way down. The '94 was almost a foot longer than the '84 was. A few inches wider too. That's based on me actually owning them and parking them together on a fairly regular basis.
When I scrapped the '84 it weighted in at 4,160 with me, and 1/8th tank of gas, and the fullsize spare and jack in the trunk. Since I'm 190 that makes the car a tad bit under 4,000 pounds. Not a light weight, but not far removed from the midsize cars of a few years earlier and a few years later.
I would say that the 77-85 C-bodies count, but if you include the B bodies from those years you also have to include the 91-96 B-bodies. And of course the 91-96 D-body which was pretty huge by any standards.
When I scrapped the '84 it weighted in at 4,160 with me, and 1/8th tank of gas, and the fullsize spare and jack in the trunk. Since I'm 190 that makes the car a tad bit under 4,000 pounds. Not a light weight, but not far removed from the midsize cars of a few years earlier and a few years later.
I would say that the 77-85 C-bodies count, but if you include the B bodies from those years you also have to include the 91-96 B-bodies. And of course the 91-96 D-body which was pretty huge by any standards.
May 9th, 2011, 03:22 PM
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The chassis stayed the same but the body definitely grew in '91. They basically dropped a longer, wider, rounder body on the old chassis and called it a day. That's the reason why the 91+ cars have the rear wheels almost tucked into the rear doors. Also the reason why the rear windows only go down half way, there just wasn't enough room in the bottom of the door to put them all the way down. The '94 was almost a foot longer than the '84 was. A few inches wider too. That's based on me actually owning them and parking them together on a fairly regular basis.
When I scrapped the '84 it weighted in at 4,160 with me, and 1/8th tank of gas, and the fullsize spare and jack in the trunk. Since I'm 190 that makes the car a tad bit under 4,000 pounds. Not a light weight, but not far removed from the midsize cars of a few years earlier and a few years later.
I would say that the 77-85 C-bodies count, but if you include the B bodies from those years you also have to include the 91-96 B-bodies. And of course the 91-96 D-body which was pretty huge by any standards.
When I scrapped the '84 it weighted in at 4,160 with me, and 1/8th tank of gas, and the fullsize spare and jack in the trunk. Since I'm 190 that makes the car a tad bit under 4,000 pounds. Not a light weight, but not far removed from the midsize cars of a few years earlier and a few years later.
I would say that the 77-85 C-bodies count, but if you include the B bodies from those years you also have to include the 91-96 B-bodies. And of course the 91-96 D-body which was pretty huge by any standards.
Length: Fleetwood - 225 (increased from 221), Roadmaster - 215.8, Caprice - 214.1 (previous B-Body 77-85 215.7)...
May 9th, 2011, 04:19 PM
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. I could care less about numbers pulled from a book. I've owned and driven them and know first hand. The sizes are not the same no matter who the author is. All they have to do is get them together and it becomes obvious. That's how we found out that the wagon is noticably longer than the sedan. The book says it's alot closer than it really is.By the way the Fleetwood is stretched 6" at the rear door for greater rear legroom. Side by side the Fleetwood and Caprice are actually about 7" different, not the 10" that your chart shows.
May 9th, 2011, 05:11 PM
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I'm glad to hear you've owned and driven them.... and parked them side by side, and measured them end to end... But the General built these cars, and his measuring tape is more acurate than your parking them end to end... And yes the wagons have always been longer than the sedans... They are 2 inches longer.... But there's no need in arguing with someone who has the ruler out for every car they see in the parking lot... And as for the Fleetwood, the C/D RWD body has always been a stetched version of the B platform since 1959...
But I won't argue anymore since you're ruler must be longer than the Generals...
But I won't argue anymore since you're ruler must be longer than the Generals...
October 5th, 2011, 06:16 AM
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A 57-58 98 was about the same length as a Crown Vic while the 88 models were only 208" long... Comparing those to todays "big cars", the current style Lincoln Town Car would look huge...
January 25th, 2012, 01:54 PM
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Plenty debate on cut off date, but what about the start? Some consider the 49-51 88s to be muscle cars. So would that mean 52 or 54 for the 88s?
Top 3 longest non limo cars are 76 Fleetwood Brougham, 73 Lebaron, and 78 Town Car.
Top 3 longest non limo cars are 76 Fleetwood Brougham, 73 Lebaron, and 78 Town Car.
January 26th, 2012, 03:15 AM
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1979 was the last year for the big Lincoln but it wasn't a "Town Car", those were a Continental. The "Town Car" was an interior trim package on the Continental Sedan and coupe through 1980. Wasn't until 1981 that the Town Car became a stand alone model....
January 28th, 2012, 12:49 AM
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right now - guess plans for "any" older car are on hold... finances just got pretty tight this last week...
I also had a 1978 and 79 Lincoln - a 78 with Town Car package and the 79 was just a 4-door Lincoln Continental Sedan...
I also had a 1978 and 79 Lincoln - a 78 with Town Car package and the 79 was just a 4-door Lincoln Continental Sedan...
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