Went to Carisle PA Car show and brought home one
#1
Went to Carisle PA Car show and brought home one
Hello Folks - I was on a mission and had in mind a 1964-1967 Galaxie, Pontiac GP or Mercury Comet but nothing spoke to me until I saw this 1967 Cutlass Supreme. I am not an Olds girl but the car was the "best" deal at the show in my opinion as the prices were high and I just didn't see value for money until I laid my eyes on her. She is my daily driver, not a perfect car but perfect for me.
I would love to get some more info on her from the experienced folks on here as you all seem to have a wealth of information and are very helpful with newbies such as myself. She has the original engine (57,000 original miles) 330 V-8 rocket fire or jetfire engine (?) with the a two-speed automatic console shift, 4 barrel carb, and has dual exhaust. I don't think dual exhaust were original in the Olds back then? VIN: 338177M351551.
I have replaced the shocks, fixed a manifold exhaust leak, new heater core and hoses, adjusted the timing and a new vacuum advance, new front and rear wheel CYL’s, hoses, new radiator hose, sway bar links, front and rear brake lines, weather stripping.
Last but not least I must have a working radio! Do I have to get one of those retro stereos from JCWhitney or can/should I slap in a new Bose?
Cheers!
I would love to get some more info on her from the experienced folks on here as you all seem to have a wealth of information and are very helpful with newbies such as myself. She has the original engine (57,000 original miles) 330 V-8 rocket fire or jetfire engine (?) with the a two-speed automatic console shift, 4 barrel carb, and has dual exhaust. I don't think dual exhaust were original in the Olds back then? VIN: 338177M351551.
I have replaced the shocks, fixed a manifold exhaust leak, new heater core and hoses, adjusted the timing and a new vacuum advance, new front and rear wheel CYL’s, hoses, new radiator hose, sway bar links, front and rear brake lines, weather stripping.
Last but not least I must have a working radio! Do I have to get one of those retro stereos from JCWhitney or can/should I slap in a new Bose?
Cheers!
#2
Welcome, a Cutlass is a great value for the dollar. If you do a search you will find a great deal of info on your engine and trans. The transmission (switch pitch ST300) is unique because it has a variable vane torque convertor.
Post some more pictures when you get a chance.
Post some more pictures when you get a chance.
#4
Yup! Small world eh? I looked all day Friday but by 10am Sat I had to do the deal on her as there were too many eyeballing her! What a weekend! I was also looking at the 1970 Monte Carlo (white - bottom of the hill near gate 5 against the fence) but I liked this one much better.
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#5
The VIN doesn't tell you much more about the car than what you already know just by looking at it.
338177M351551
3 = Oldsmobile
3 = series (Cutlass F-85)
8 = engine (V-8)
17 = body style (2-door hardtop)
7 = model year (1967)
M = assembly plant (Lansing)
351551 = production sequence number at the Lansing plant
You should post a photo of the body cowl tag as the codes on it can be decoded to determine what other options were original to the car.
338177M351551
3 = Oldsmobile
3 = series (Cutlass F-85)
8 = engine (V-8)
17 = body style (2-door hardtop)
7 = model year (1967)
M = assembly plant (Lansing)
351551 = production sequence number at the Lansing plant
You should post a photo of the body cowl tag as the codes on it can be decoded to determine what other options were original to the car.
#8
Welcome aboard from another newbie Olds owner....
This site is full of great info...
Take a look here for a stereo that should fit your dash without molesting it...
http://www.retrosoundusa.com/
This site is full of great info...
Take a look here for a stereo that should fit your dash without molesting it...
http://www.retrosoundusa.com/
#9
Nope, sorry. For the 1967 model year, the "38" meant Cutlass Supreme. An odd number in the third position (1, 3, or 5) indicated the L6 engine. An even number (2, 4, 6, or 8) was V8. There were also 332xxx, 334xxx, and 336xxx VINs that year that also indicated 3-series V8 cars, but different model designations.
#11
Thanks guys for the warm welcome. I will hang onto her as I do have an emotional attachment to her being the first one I really worked for and picked out. I said she would be just a car but I have a feeling about her. I love that I went looking for something in particular and was totally distracted by her that I had to have her. I will not alter the dash then as I know it would really bother me as she is so original. I will get a pic of the body cowl tag. The paint is pretty lousy but she still manages to look really good (if I don't mind saying so ) so I will save the money and invest in a retro radio; thanks JPMDaddy for the link.
#12
I was going by the '67 chassis service manual as I figured it to be about as unimpeachable a source as there can be. I thought the car might have been a Supreme, and it no doubt is, but the CSM makes no mention of the word "Supreme" anywhere in its decoding guide. In the table on page 0-2 under "1967 Model Designation," for Series 33800, it says "Cutlass F-85, V-8 Engine."
#14
there are other radios- Custom Auto Sound radios are nice looking, but crappy sound...
I'm swapping out a CAS radio for a retrosound unit with Ipod connection in my El Camino and RetroSound gets good reviews on the Elco forums....
I'm swapping out a CAS radio for a retrosound unit with Ipod connection in my El Camino and RetroSound gets good reviews on the Elco forums....
#15
Good to hear. What about the jcwhitney ones? They are considerably cheaper which is a concern to me if the sound is terrible.http://www.jcwhitney.com/1967-1983-o...67-1983j1.jcwx
#16
I bought this for $20 at a swap meet and stuck it in my '67 Delta 88. The car's original AM radio didn't work, and I wanted FM anyway. The vendor restored old radios and guaranteed his work, and this has worked fine for more than three years now. It's a "period correct" aftermarket radio in that it's from the 1980s, when pretty much all aftermarket radios were made to fit the old-style dash openings.
The downside is that it probably doesn't look as good in the fit-and-finish department as something else might, but the upsides are that it works fine, and it was only $20. Plus, I haven't molested the dash or anything, so something else, including an original radio, could always be put back in.
The downside is that it probably doesn't look as good in the fit-and-finish department as something else might, but the upsides are that it works fine, and it was only $20. Plus, I haven't molested the dash or anything, so something else, including an original radio, could always be put back in.
#17
Hey, there's cheap, and then there's cheap. Your link points to a $150 radio.
Here's one for $30 from JCW. It even has a USB port so you can play mp3 files from a flash drive.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/pyle-car-st...060y1967g2u0j1
Here's one for $30 from JCW. It even has a USB port so you can play mp3 files from a flash drive.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/pyle-car-st...060y1967g2u0j1
#18
Sorry, not on my diet.
Very interesting. 1967 is the one CSM I don't have from 64-72... I wonder if yours is an early edition. There were updates as changes were made during a model year. The F-85, Cutlass, Supreme, and Vista were all separate models in 1967, with different VINs.
Any insights, Kurt?
What does the 67 CSM say for a 334xxx VIN? How about 336xxx? Both of those would have come with V8 engines. The 331xxx wasn't a single cylinder engine, for example.
I was going by the '67 chassis service manual as I figured it to be about as unimpeachable a source as there can be. I thought the car might have been a Supreme, and it no doubt is, but the CSM makes no mention of the word "Supreme" anywhere in its decoding guide. In the table on page 0-2 under "1967 Model Designation," for Series 33800, it says "Cutlass F-85, V-8 Engine."
Any insights, Kurt?
What does the 67 CSM say for a 334xxx VIN? How about 336xxx? Both of those would have come with V8 engines. The 331xxx wasn't a single cylinder engine, for example.
#19
That looks real good jaunty75 - you did well with that purchase. I don't need anything too fancy so that 30.00 might just do the trick. I don't know how I missed that on on there! I think the rear speaker is 6x9 but the front one appears to be an odd shape and small?
#20
Good to hear. What about the jcwhitney ones? They are considerably cheaper which is a concern to me if the sound is terrible.http://www.jcwhitney.com/1967-1983-o...67-1983j1.jcwx
#21
Hey, there's cheap, and then there's cheap. Your link points to a $150 radio.
Here's one for $30 from JCW. It even has a USB port so you can play mp3 files from a flash drive.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/pyle-car-st...060y1967g2u0j1
Here's one for $30 from JCW. It even has a USB port so you can play mp3 files from a flash drive.
http://www.jcwhitney.com/pyle-car-st...060y1967g2u0j1
By the way, I find that I don't even use the radio anymore (since all oldies stations have been purged from the DC market), just MP3s played from my phone. You may want to consider a hidden stereo with an aux jack if that's your main source of music. Much easier than cutting the dash.
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#23
Mine could be an early edition, but I see that the '67 CSM on the Wild About Cars site is the same as mine as far as this particular page goes. Here's what it looks like in full. Not only is there no mention of a Cutlass "Supreme," there's no mention of a "Vista Cruiser," either. There's also no mention of Toronado.
Note, by the way, that there was no F-85 deluxe (36-series) in the 67 model year - apparently that was called the Cutlass. The formerly Cutlass (38 series) became the Supreme. Of course, the following dealer brochure isn't the best source of info, either, since obviously the 442 was not a separate model that year.
#24
The '68 CSM finally gets it right and includes everything it should (Cutlass Supreme, 442, Vista Cruiser, and Toronado).
#25
Toro was a 1966 addition, so I'd expect that. Yes, "Extended" means VC - 120" wheelbase vs. 115" for flattops in those years.
#26
Sorry, not on my diet.
Very interesting. 1967 is the one CSM I don't have from 64-72... I wonder if yours is an early edition. There were updates as changes were made during a model year. The F-85, Cutlass, Supreme, and Vista were all separate models in 1967, with different VINs.
Any insights, Kurt?
What does the 67 CSM say for a 334xxx VIN? How about 336xxx? Both of those would have come with V8 engines. The 331xxx wasn't a single cylinder engine, for example.
Very interesting. 1967 is the one CSM I don't have from 64-72... I wonder if yours is an early edition. There were updates as changes were made during a model year. The F-85, Cutlass, Supreme, and Vista were all separate models in 1967, with different VINs.
Any insights, Kurt?
What does the 67 CSM say for a 334xxx VIN? How about 336xxx? Both of those would have come with V8 engines. The 331xxx wasn't a single cylinder engine, for example.
1. First of all, you *do* have the 1967 Chassis Service Manual, do I really need to point it out to you? Right here:
http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-b...=9990428634777
2. What Jaunty posted from the Chassis Service Manual has to be taken in context. The point of that page was to breakdown the model numbers. Note the heading says "Body description or name". In most of these cases it was just a description, not the name. As was typical for the era, that chart was a carryover from the previous year and just changed as little as possible to be correct.
B/L is that the purpose of that chart was not to obtain a model name. The shop goes by numbers, not not names.
3. In most cases there was only early editions of Chassis Service Manuals. They did not make later editions. Changes came in the form of Service Bulletins.
#27
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You'll find Chassis Service Manuals, Product Information Manuals (AKA Assembly Manuals), Inspector's Manuals, and other documents that will contain this and much much more.
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#28
In any case, my issue is what the VIN says and what a DMV would consider a different model, not what the service department thinks. Most service parts would be the same for a 334, 336 and 338 car, for example.
And to the O.P., sorry that we've not only hijacked your thread, but driven it well off the highway and into the weeds. Welcome and nice car.
#29
[/QUOTE] And to the O.P., sorry that we've not only hijacked your thread, but driven it well off the highway and into the weeds. Welcome and nice car. [/QUOTE]
lol No problem and reading every bit of it. It did come with original manuals and a bunch of stuff I have yet to go through.
lol No problem and reading every bit of it. It did come with original manuals and a bunch of stuff I have yet to go through.
#31
But wouldn't it be fair to say that 1961 was the exception and not the rule because that was the year that the Cutlass was introduced, and it was mid-way though the model year? I see that the manual you post is for the F-85, not the full-size cars. That's certainly the only year that happened, isn't it? If any situation called for the issuance of a mid-year revision, I would think that the introduction of a new model would qualify.
#32
I've never understood the sorry-we've-hijacked-your-thread thing. She's not the OWNER of it, is she? And what, exactly, have we interrupted? Three more people saying "nice car, welcome to the site?" Good golly, what a disaster. And anyone can still do that, anyway.
#33
If you are looking for a two shaft radio. I picked up a "Dual". It has decent sound and has a jack for an mp3/ipod.
http://www.dualav.com/mobileaudio/xc4100.php
I paid about $50 for it from that online car stereo place. I forgot the name.
http://www.dualav.com/mobileaudio/xc4100.php
I paid about $50 for it from that online car stereo place. I forgot the name.
#34
http://www.crutchfield.com/
Except that I don't see any Dual models of this type on their site now. I did see the Dual ****-style radio on their site when I was looking for a radio for my '67 Delta back in 2009.
The Dual website itself doesn't show this receiver, either. I'm guessing they don't make it anymore.
http://www.dualav.com/
#35
If you are looking for a two shaft radio. I picked up a "Dual". It has decent sound and has a jack for an mp3/ipod.
http://www.dualav.com/mobileaudio/xc4100.php
I paid about $50 for it from that online car stereo place. I forgot the name.
http://www.dualav.com/mobileaudio/xc4100.php
I paid about $50 for it from that online car stereo place. I forgot the name.
#36
Yeah. That is it. Hey I did not say it was "great". It was much better than hacking up the dash in my car. Most of the time when I drive my car I prefer listening to the sounds of the engine and the exhaust note.
#37
Here is one on Ebay that says its adjustable but I don't see how in the pic. Maybe he means the volume & bass are adjustable, but it is affordable. I also like that it doesn't have a cassette because who has those anymore. It has USD and SD card inputs.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adjustable-S...fa4dc9&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Adjustable-S...fa4dc9&vxp=mtr
#39
Face it, if we "talked in numbers", we would not even need model names, as the model (series, sub-series, etc.) numbers are very specific.
2. From what I've been able to tell, the DMV could care less about what is in the "model" field in a title. The VIN is the control info in the title and if the model is incorrect (I've seen countless examples), it is of no concern or consequence. (Though there may be some differences per state).
The title is still the legal title for the car as long as the VIN is correct.
But wouldn't it be fair to say that 1961 was the exception and not the rule because that was the year that the Cutlass was introduced, and it was mid-way though the model year? I see that the manual you post is for the F-85, not the full-size cars. That's certainly the only year that happened, isn't it? If any situation called for the issuance of a mid-year revision, I would think that the introduction of a new model would qualify.
#40
Very simple (and yes, this is another hijack that's my fault - sorry ). We'll have a thread about, say, the motor mounts for a 68 Cutlass. About six posts in, someone asks a question about motor mounts for a 63 D88. Completely different car (especially if the original thread is in the Cutlass sub-forum) and not germane to the original question.