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Old Mar 16, 2021 | 08:16 PM
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Hi All, picked up a Rallye 350 recently. Previous owner swears it's the real deal and not a clown car. I thought he meant clone, he stuck by his original statement.
All indicators, that I have learned, support this. Anyway looking forward to learning a few things here.
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Old Mar 16, 2021 | 08:33 PM
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Welcome aboard CO. Pics are always nice, when you get time.
Old Mar 16, 2021 | 08:40 PM
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Working on pics. Tried uploading one. Couldn't get done from my phone
Old Mar 16, 2021 | 09:19 PM
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Welcome, look forward to some pics.
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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 03:41 AM
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One quick thing to look for is the paint code will be two dashes like - -.
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 07:24 AM
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Welcome to the group... I've had a couple Rallye 350's in the past... Went so far as to modify one with a 455 back in the early 80's, just wanted more power, not thinking of any possible devaluation...
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by redoldsman
One quick thing to look for is the paint code will be two dashes like - -.
Is that true of all Rallye 350's?
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 09:24 AM
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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by no1oldsfan
Is that true of all Rallye 350's?
The "- -" paint code signifies special order paint. It could have been Sebring Yellow, it could have been Mary Kay pink, it could have been puke green. There's no way to know from the cowl tag. Also, I've seen some Sebring Yellow cars with 51 51 paint codes, not - -. Those were not Lansing cars.
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 10:06 AM
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I understand the -- marks. My Rally Red 70 had dash marks. So were Rallye 350's not all made in Lansing?
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 10:24 AM
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The question was "do all Raylle 350's have - - for paint codes" to which I answered yes. He did not ask if the - - signified special paint codes on other cars of special colors. Joe, were the Sebring Yellow cars you saw Rallye 350's and were they 1970 models? Did all Rallye 350's have - - for paint codes?
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 11:03 AM
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Joe, were the Sebring Yellow cars you saw Rallye 350's and were they 1970 models?
They were 1970 Sebring Yellow cars, but not Rallyes. The Rallye/not Rallye is irrelevant. My point is that at some time in the model year, some of the plants actually put 51 instead of - on the cowl tag. My other point is that "- -" paint code doesn't mean anything about the car being a Rallye any more than a having an "M" for the assembly plant means that the car is a W-30 (I don't know how many times I've read that in an ad).
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 11:11 AM
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I thought that I had read before that all special paint color cars came out of Lansing. Is that not true?

Thanks for all your knowledge Joe and everyone else.
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The question is real simple. Did all Rallye 350's have - - as the paint code? What other cars had is irrelevant since we are only talking about Rallye 350's. Granted - - paint code does not mean it is a Rallye but if it has something other than - - then does that mean it could not be a Rallye. Maybe this makes it clearer.
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Originally Posted by redoldsman
The question is real simple. Did all Rallye 350's have - - as the paint code? What other cars had is irrelevant since we are only talking about Rallye 350's. Granted - - paint code does not mean it is a Rallye but if it has something other than - - then does that mean it could not be a Rallye. Maybe this makes it clearer.
I understand the question. I can't say if that's true, given that some other Sebring Yellow cars got 51 51 paint codes. Suffice to say that it MUST be either - - or 51 51, if that's where you were going. This is called "necessary but not sufficient".
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Glad we got that cleared up.
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 08:21 PM
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It does have the - - on cowl tag. As far as I can tell car matches tag. In my research I read that all Rallye cars vin would start with one of 2 specific sequences. It does. Rear sway bar alis there.
Anything else to look for?
Also I need to rebuild front suspension. Is there a replacement set of springs available for it? I have found plenty available but was wondering if certain ones matched the factory setup.
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 08:53 PM
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I think and I emphasize think I read on here some years ago the bumpers have a ground strap on them since they are painted and lights mounted in them would not work since they are not grounded through the bumper bolts.
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 09:13 PM
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This is great information. Could this be moved or duplicated into a separate Rallye 350 information thread?
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Originally Posted by redoldsman
I think and I emphasize think I read on here some years ago the bumpers have a ground strap on them since they are painted and lights mounted in them would not work since they are not grounded through the bumper bolts.
Is that true? I had never heard that.

If I had a Rallye 350 I would 455 it and paint the motor 350 gold. Percentage of fools that would catch it would be ten percent.


Original proto type Rallye 350's were a few colors in 69. I might have to make my own custom.

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Old Mar 17, 2021 | 09:51 PM
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Is there a replacement set of springs available for it?
Eaton Springs, original supplier.
Is that true? I had never heard that.
It is shown in the Chassis Service manual.
Old Mar 17, 2021 | 10:28 PM
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The old rumor was that Oldsmobile said "We don't need Hurst" That is what created the Rallye 350. Oldsmobile puked the only yellow no W motor car. Sorry to the lovers. Where does a factory wing belong? Rallye 350!!

Where else?? I am so not into wings that weren't there. I NEVER EVER EVER saw a 442 with a factory wing. Ever. I grew up in the 60's-70's-80's. I NEVER saw a factory 442 etc with a factory wing. Now. Everyone puts one on. THEY WERE NEVER THERE!!! Just because you can buy something doesn't mean it belongs there. Deck lid spoilers completely break up the body lines. Just my opinion
Old Mar 18, 2021 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Scotrf
In my research I read that all Rallye cars vin would start with one of 2 specific sequences. It does
Again, that doesn't mean anything. The Rallye 350 package was only available on the F85 Sport Coupe (3277 body style), Cutlass S Sport Coupe (3677), and Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (3687). Olds built many, MANY more of those cars than just Rallye 350 versions: 8,274 of the F85 Sport Coupes, 10,677 of the Cutlass S Sport Coupes, and 88,578 of the Cutlass S Holiday Coupes. All of those had the same VIN sequences as Rallye 350s. Once again, this is necessary but not sufficient.

One thing you can look for is if the car is an F85 (332770xxxxxx VIN). Rallye 350 cars based on the F85 got Cutlass emblems on the front fenders. This is documented in the Inspectors Guide.
Old Mar 18, 2021 | 09:34 AM
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Here is my data tag and build sheet
Linden build in Mid February 1970

They used the DuPont number on the data tag but put both the 51 code and DuPont number on the build sheet

There seems to be many anomalies
to this
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Old Mar 18, 2021 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by body 51
Here is my data tag and build sheet
Linden build in Mid February 1970

They used the DuPont number on the data tag but put both the 51 code and DuPont number on the build sheet

There seems to be many anomalies
to this
Yes, Linden, Arlington, and Fremont all did their own things on the cowl tags.
Old Mar 24, 2021 | 07:33 AM
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Old Mar 24, 2021 | 07:40 AM
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Starting to get the hang of loading pics. Screen shots will load, but actual pics hit about 25% then stop.
Next is trying to use the camera function.
Or maybe read the instructions again. 🤣
Old Mar 24, 2021 | 10:37 AM
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were trim rings an OPTION on the Rallye 350 - if so, how common?
when did the rear spoiler become STANDARD VS. OPTIONAL on the Rallye 350?
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Old Mar 24, 2021 | 11:13 AM
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Rallye 350 was a 1 year only car. From my understanding all came with the spoiler. The beauty rings and inserts on wheels were nit standard. Don't know if they wer an option or not. There is a build sheet in this thread you can go through and see if they are listed. Maybe someone with more knowledge on this will chime in.
Old Mar 24, 2021 | 11:51 AM
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There is no RPO code for just trim rings. They were not part of the Rallye package. Many dealers and owners added them after delivery.

The wing is interesting. This Rallye 350 order form dated Nov 1969 shows W35 as mandatory.




The W45 engineering documents released Jan 8, 1970 do not list the W35 wing as one of the mandatory options with the W45 package.





This Dealer Information Bulletin dated Feb 20, 1970 does show it as mandatory.





Old Mar 24, 2021 | 10:17 PM
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I believe that the spoiler became optional later in the production year. It has been discussed on C.O. in the past. Not sure if I have a copy of the paperwork that points that out. I will look later.
Old Mar 25, 2021 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Scotrf
Starting to get the hang of loading pics. Screen shots will load, but actual pics hit about 25% then stop.
Next is trying to use the camera function.
Or maybe read the instructions again. 🤣
sweet ride! just something about them 69's....
Old Mar 25, 2021 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 6T9442Drop
sweet ride! just something about them 69's....
The Ralleye 350 was a 1970 model.
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