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Good Morning, I am new to the Oldsmobile fan group and have a trim tag question:
In decoding the trim tag on my 1969 Olds Cutlass S convertible, the trim tag leaves a few questions unanswered. First - TR-930 ( all sites show this to be Black vinyl interior, However does not state bench or buckets. My car has buckets with console ). Also, there is no codes that tell if the car came with Automatic trans or four speed. Mine is a four speed car with correct console and everything I can find appears to have been original.
Second - The Paint/Body colors My trim tag shows 75 (apparently Aztec Gold) upper body color / Lower code is P. I find nothing on any website that tells what "P" represents. My car is a Convertible. None of the convertible top colors in 69 were designated with a "P"
Third - What designation determines the car being a true 442 ? I recently bought this car and I know the W-30 accent package is a clone.
Thanks for all your help ! P.S. I own 4 other classics (but they are all Chevy's)
Last edited by funtrk; August 25th, 2019 at 06:37 AM.
In 1969, the 442 convertible VIN would start with 34467....a Cutlass convertible would start with 33667...Keep in mind, a 442 convertible in 1969 also had a BODY TAG that had 33667 as well. The 442 "option" changed the VIN number on the car. Fisher apparently didn't care. I say "option" because although the 442 was its own model per se from 68-71, 1969 442 build sheets at least, show a 442 RPO code in them. More weird stuff.
930 is black strato buckets.
Do you have a picture of the body tag? The paint codes always seem to be fugged up a lot trying to figure them out.
Last edited by 69HO43; August 25th, 2019 at 07:58 AM.
Best I can find, the top color would be the "P" as it were. I thought that was Platinum, but the recommended color top for aztek gold was black/white or gold. Based on you say the lower color is P and upper color is 75...you're saying the tag shows P 75?? Or does your tag say 75-P or 75 P or??? The lower body color comes first on the body tags. Or at least that was the norm as I understand them.
If you can post a picture, that may help decode the mystery.
Also, there is no codes that tell if the car came with Automatic trans or four speed.
And there won't be. The cowl tag is concerned with options that were applied by Fisher Body, not with options that were applied to the chassis before it was mated to the body. No engine or transmission information has ever appeared on an Olds cowl tag. Tinted windows, power antenna, deluxe seat belts, etc., yes. Drivetrain info, no.
In any case, TR930 is black BUCKET seats. A black bench seat interior would have been TR940. This info is in the Product Information Manual (aka Assembly Manual). Bucket seats were standard equipment in a 1969 Cutlass convertible, but the bench was a credit option.
The console may or may not have been factory installed. If the manual trans was factory ordered, you did not get a console (even with bucket seats) unless you paid extra for RPO D55. Without a build sheet, there is no way to know, though if you ever remove the console, careful inspection of the mounting brackets will provide an indication as to whether they were factory welded in place or not.
The first paint code on the cowl tag is the LOWER body color. The second code is the upper color, or vinyl top color, or convertible top color. The only available convertible top colors for 1969 were white, black, blue, and gold. "P" designated a gold convertible top. Not surprising for an Aztec Gold car. Again, this info is in the PIM, Section 0, page 183.
In 1969, the 442 convertible VIN would start with 34467....a Cutlass convertible would start with 33667...Keep in mind, a 442 convertible in 1969 also had a BODY TAG that had 33667 as well. The 442 "option" changed the VIN number on the car. Fisher apparently didn't care. I say "option" because although the 442 was its own model per se from 68-71, 1969 442 build sheets at least, show a 442 RPO code in them. More weird stuff.
930 is black strato buckets.
Do you have a picture of the body tag? The paint codes always seem to be fugged up a lot trying to figure them out.
VIN indicates your car is a Cutlass S, as follows:
33667: First 3 = GM division = Oldsmobile; 36 = model series = Cutlass V8; 67 = body style = convertible
9 = model year = 1969
M = assembly plant = Lansing MI
226689 = assembly plant sequential number
Trim tag as follows:
ST 69 = style/model year = 1969
33667 - same as above
LAN = assembly plant = Lansing MI
226850 BDY = Fisher Body number (has no relationship to the VIN plant sequential number)
TR 930 = interior color AND front seat type = black interior with bucket seats
75 P PNT = lower body color (75) = aztec gold AND convertible top color (P) that doesn't match up to anything. It's possible what you see as a "P" is really a "B" which would be a black convertible top, or an "F" which would bea brown convertible top, or possibly even an "E" which would be a "parchment" color.
12C = time build code = December (12), third week of that month (C), 1968.
A VIN derivative is stamped into both the engine block and the transmission casing that you can check to see if both are original to your car.
75 P PNT = lower body color (75) = aztec gold AND convertible top color (P) that doesn't match up to anything. It's possible what you see as a "P" is really a "B" which would be a black convertible top, or an "F" which would bea brown convertible top, or possibly even an "E" which would be a "parchment" color.
Randy, we already answered this in post #5 above. The only available convertible top colors for 1969 were white (A), black (C), blue (C), and gold (P). "P" designated a gold convertible top. From the 1969 PIM:
Upper body color is code 75 (Aztec Gold)
Lower body color(Convertible Top code P)
Originally Posted by 69HO43
Best I can find, the top color would be the "P" as it were. I thought that was Platinum, but the recommended color top for aztek gold was black/white or gold. Based on you say the lower color is P and upper color is 75...you're saying the tag shows P 75?? Or does your tag say 75-P or 75 P or??? The lower body color comes first on the body tags. Or at least that was the norm as I understand them.
If you can post a picture, that may help decode the mystery.
HERE IS A CURRENT PICTURE - I KNOW IT'S A CLONE - NOT A REAL 442 - NOT EVEN A w30, BUT IT WAS RESTORED TO MEET THE BUILDER'S TASTE AND REALLY IS A SUPER NICE CAR.
Also in search of a radiator top plate for a three row radiator in this car. Current radiator is a three row harrison with 3" tanks on each end. Have taken the electric cooling fan off and replaced with new factory style 7 blade clutch fan and factory style fan shroud, however i cannot seem to find a factory top plate to fit. All that seams to be available is for a four row radiator. And suggestions? Summit -no, jegs-no, opgi - no, fusick automotive - no,
August 25th, 2019, 06:34 AM
