Mike77

I was feeling a little mischievious this morning, maybe too much coffee. I thought I was being midly amusing.
Unfortunetly no "special" 403 cu.in. block. Hope I wasn't being out of line. I think they call it "trolling" if I understand that term correctly. I don't want to be a troll.

With all due respect to all of you

Mike

crystal59

This is a car that I used as a daily driver for eleven years. I purchased the Cutlass as a potential parts car for the W32 but I changed my mind. The Cutlass had very few options and if I were going to have her as a daily driver, I needed more options and so a lot of options were added over the years.
Here are some photographs

qjetolds

nice looking ride !Good to see it's out being enjoyed!

Gator69olds

Sweet!!!

crystal59

Thank You. A fun car to drive.

GAOldsman

Gorgeous droptop there Gary

crystal59

Thank You. Here is the GM documentation on the Cutlass.

Diego

Thanks for posting. So where's the 1 of 18 stat?

allyolds68

I see Diego's comment above and I think we should clear a few things up here. Gary made a number of assertions that were apparently incorrect. When people go back and search for information on 69 W32's or 69 Cutlass 4 speed convertibles they may read this and feel it's the gospel truth (just like Gary felt the need to contact Barrett-Jackson to educate them about the number of W32's convertibles currently known). There were undoubtably more than 25 4 speed Cutlass convertibles in 69. There MAY have been 25 imported into Canada. Although it's imperative that the data plate (or Vin) on a W32 be from Lansing, there isn't any information on the data plate or VIN in themselves that identify the car as a W32. In fact there were probably hundreds of 442's in 69 that had the exact same data plate (well maybe not down to the week, but you get the idea). I think it's important that Gary knows the best way to present his documentation, (what is important and what's not). I think if Gary had presented the GM of Canada Documentation with the car it would have avoided all the pissing back and forth. I also don't think Gary cares what anyone else thinks, and quite frankly, if I had bought the car new, I wouldn't either.

Eddie Hansen

Ohhh man both rides are gorgeous I do like the under bumper scoops too thx for sharing

crystal59

It appears that this thread has run it's course.

WTony

Love the color of this Cutlass! I could easily see how this would be a very enjoyable daily driver!

Eddie Hansen

Did I say something wrong? I was just complimenting both rides and I like the w31 look on the cutlass , I also have a 69 cutlass 4 speed that use to have a 350 and came with a posi rear heavy duty suspension, it was originally the same color as your 442 with a gold interior , then someone painted it black before I got it. I always thought of adding the w-31 stuff to the 350 I was honestly complimenting both cars I don't know where the 1 of 18 comes from as I believe that would have been for a 4 speed convertible w 31 but I don't follow all that , I'm just a fan of convertibles and 4 speeds no offense meant in my post at all

crystal59

Hi Eddie. None taken. I enjoyed your posts because in my view you are a true car enthusiast who is a fan of what the car is or has become rather than the documentation and the rest of all that stuff that takes away from the moment. It is guys like yourself that got me involved in the forum. The love of classic cars period. Not what the documentation is or the resale. Who cares? None of my collectors cars will be sold by me. I have been told it is one of the best collections in Western Canada but that leads the nitpickers to say what do you have and how do you know that. It becomes boring after a while.

Diego

Oh, then I sincerely apologize for taking away from the moment.

Rickman48

Just read this for the 1st time - beautiful cars and can appreciate the rarity of both!
Having worked for Nickey in 69+70, in parts, am well aware of 'dealer -installed options', as I sold many "take-out" motors, add A/C kits, [yes, it came to the dealer as a kit] etc. Was also part of a few that tried almost anything to 'go around' the order sheets.
Good memories of back then!!

crystal59

Thank You for the post. I had a few non believers out there who got a little aggressive at times in my view. I am glad you could help clear this up. I was there and I know what happened and what was done by my dealer.

thoulihan

Was reading this thread and noticed this today on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Oldsm...item3f243fc58c

crystal59

That is a good price. Mine was appraised at 118,500.

oldsmobiledave

Really?. I am shocked. May I ask what is the annual insurance premium on that car?

crystal59

Here is the appraisal.

I have car fleet insurance.

GAOldsman

Nice I believe that price is rather low for what it is. But it is a good # to start with considering the rarity as well as the desirability.

halfmoontrail

I have a '70 cutlass supreme convertible 4-speed, and a letter from GM saying 71 of them in '70. Generally, I would expect about the sam enumber if not a few more in '69. This was when interest in 4-speeds was declining, along with interest in the color black...
Steve

crystal59

Thank You. Not for sale though. The 442 handling saved my life. We are bonded.

crystal59

Is that GM in the US. Any contact information?

halfmoontrail

crystal59

Thank You.

shatrab

Great pics!

Diego

Three points to address:

1. The letter posted is for M21 cars. What about M20? Certainly they were more numerous.

2. I think more remarkable than "interest in 4-speeds was declining" is that the Cutlass Supreme is not a performance car and, hence, was less likely to be ordered with a 4-speed.

3. Black was never a popular color for a muscle car. For a car like a Cutlass Supreme? I dunno, but I think the color was much more popular on a big sedan. If anything, I think black Cutlasses would become *more* popular as the 1970s progressed, but that's just a theory.

crystal59

My plan is to write for 1969 information and will post the result. Here are photographs getting ready for good weather.

GAOldsman

Beautiful stable you have there my friend '63 split window!

crystal59

Thank You. I have had these cars for quite awhile. The nicest car is the 442. You point the 57 and the split, but you drive the 442.

Octania

"factory AC was added without problems or modifications that I am aware of and of course I had to pay for it. "

Altering the firewall from No-AC to with-AC is no small undertaking.

Anyhoo, nice ride, super rare. Then you find out your "parts" car is even more rare... no longer a parts car... Great wife to accommodate all that!

And someone snagged the original motor out of the W32? I hope you filed a complaint, so if that VIN stamped block shows up you can claim it.

crystal59

Thank You. That is what happened. I paid a big price to have the ac installed. My wife was not exactly thrilled but eventually she forgave me. The mechanic talked my wife into a trade of the 400 original engine for a 350 but did not talk to me. When I called him he said he had sold the 400. I still think it is around and I am looking. This is a small town.

calicanuck66

glad you stuck around. I just joined yesterday & made my introduction. This is my first post other than the one I posted as an intro. newbie

I wouldn't worry about the nitpickers to much. I for one, have a car that is pretty far from original & on purpose, I made it that way. One time when I joined a Canadian Olds club chapter, I stated that I had an SX, but that it was pretty far from being original, & the chapter prez stated something that resonated with me..

"It doesn't matter if it is original or not. You should have the car the way you want it"...

Hmm, I like that philosophy.

I work for @ a foreign car dealer & we have MANY times converted things from factory originality "just to make the sale" or "make the customer happy" by doing such things as adding in leather seats & door panel kits, DVD headrest screens, aftermarket wheels/tires, billet grilles etc. I'm sure this was done when our cars were new too, as your A/C install can attest too. (they did a nice job on that install by the way. looks nice & clean)

Just glad you've kept the cars as long as you have & keeping them new looking & of course...DRIVING THEM !! *most important*

crystal59

I drive them all in any kind of weather. My cars pay their dues. No trailer queens here. This is now the daily driver.

calicanuck66

You have some nice rides in your stable. Must be nice to go out & flip a coin on which car your gonna drive...
Especially on those summer weekend days

crystal59

Yes. I have been collecting these cars since 1969 with the 442 being the first and the best.

mister-twister

I just saw this thread and don't know how I missed it the first time as I have one of the 25's (post) and have met a gentleman, at a local cruise site and he has one of the convertibles. These rare ones tickle my fancy because of the discussion they provide! If you know what you have you don't need the documents. Its not just about a cam and trans. You have a beautiful car there and "customized" it the way you want. Hope you're out enjoying it.

crystal59

Thanks. I have the documentation and I posted it. I purchased the car new on June 6,1969 and I know what I have.