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It's only the 455 cars because the 455's massive torque tries to rotate the earth when stabbing the throttle so they reinforce the plastic part so it doesn't distort.
...and I swear, my hand to God, that's right out of the Assembly Manual!
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Originally Posted by mmurphy77
It's only the 455 cars because the 455's massive torque tries to rotate the earth when stabbing the throttle so they reinforce the plastic part so it doesn't distort.
...and I swear, my hand to God, that's right out of the Assembly Manual!
Must be somewhere I can't find. I looked in 71/72 AMs but can't find that. Can you point me to the page in the AM? I know the 455 is a torque monster, that's why I wanted to build one last year. thx Mike.
I still got one on my 71. It's a Lansing car, but it's not a W-30 or 4 speed. In 71, it specifies 4400 series only, which pretty much meant any 71 442 should have it. Yep, it is metal. But it's not coming off any time soon.
X2 my 72 Supreme has it and it ain't going anywhere either.
Originally Posted by costpenn
Before you painted it, do you remember what color it was?
Originally Posted by 1971four4two
The chin spoiler was weathered when I took it off the car. Likely a low gloss black , like the frame and chassis , when the car was new 40+ years ago.
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Originally Posted by GAOldsman
X2 my 72 Supreme has it and it ain't going anywhere either
Scott, No worries there. If I had one I'd want to keep it too. At this stage I'm more interested in seeing multiple angles of the darn thing so I can try and fabricate one of my own..either one of you up to that?
Since 72 455 cars are much scarcer than 70/71s I don't think there's a lot out there. Even the 70's and 71's had fewer BBOs as a result of insurance issues. That's why the Rallye 350 came along in 70.
I don't think it would be too time consuming to take it off and snap a few pics for you, just making the time to go down to my shop and doing it. But I'll check into it for ya there Allan.
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Originally Posted by GAOldsman
I don't think it would be too time consuming to take it off and snap a few pics for you, just making the time to go down to my shop and doing it. But I'll check into it for ya there Allan.
Thx Scott. When you do the pics can you also lay out a measuring tape so I can get an idea of scale?
Well Allan, I've been mistaken. I went down to the shop this morning to take off the piece in question and snap detailed pics for you but it isn't there like I thought it was. I was thinking the back piece of the air dam was it the other day when I looked. The air dam is in place but that is it. I took off the air dam (six or seven bolts) and it appears to be made up of two separate plastic pieces stapled together.
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Originally Posted by GAOldsman
Well Allan, I've been mistaken. I went down to the shop this morning to take off the piece in question and snap detailed pics for you but it isn't there like I thought it was. I was thinking the back piece of the air dam was it the other day when I looked. The air dam is in place but that is it. I took off the air dam (six or seven bolts) and it appears to be made up of two separate plastic pieces stapled together.
No worries Scott. Stuff like that happens. When you say it was 2 pieces stapled do you mean like this? This is my air dam taken off last summer prior to cleaning. I have 2 pieces; one is plastic and one is reinforced rubber stapled to the plastic (kind of like the inner liners/flaps if you know what I'm getting at)
This thread sure got derailed and some bad info slipped in back in 2012. I picked one up for my V Code at Nationals last week (bought it last year but finally picked it up in person from the seller). This is what it looks like and how it attaches. 1972 X code and V code only per the assembly manual.
My 1971 Fremont built 442 has one of those.
Our 1972 V code supreme does not. MIA ?? It was built at arlington tx plant
Hi Brian - All V Codes should have one, regardless of where they were built. All three of my V code hardtops were missing theirs (I'm not sure I knew about this part when I had my V Code convertible from 2001-2004. It may or may not have had one - now I'll need to dig through old pictures). 1971s used them on some applications as well, but it seems like a lot of those are missing the metal piece as well 46-47 years later.
HEY TERRY
Nice find. Those are tough to come by. A minnesota winter or 2 and that light metal gizmo would be toast.
I did talk to metal fab shop about making copies of mine. Was going to be too much time and $$$ so that never happened.
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I'm looking at page (sec 11) 104 of the 1972 Cutlass Assembly manual. I can't find any reference that says the 410410 reinforcement was only for X and V code cars. I know they were put on some 455 cars, but again that's just by word of mouth. Can you show me where the documentation is for the X and V codes only?
I'm looking at page (sec 11) 104 of the 1972 Cutlass Assembly manual. I can't find any reference that says the 410410 reinforcement was only for X and V code cars. I know they were put on some 455 cars, but again that's just by word of mouth. Can you show me where the documentation is for the X and V codes only?
Put me in line for one too. Ive been looking for over 4 years. I was told inline tube snaged an NOS piece at some point. Ive asked they say they are not sure if they will ever make it or not.
My brother-in-law runs a machine shop and is willing to quote what it would cost to reproduce this if anyone is willing to send one to me. He will need to see it in person. I'll cover shipping back to whomever sends me one. And you don't have to worry because all my cars are '70s except for the 350 '72 so I have no use for this rare piece. :-)
That's not the piece. The one you have is the standard air dam without the masticated rubber. Nice modification though.
Exactly - go back up to my post (#50) and look at the pics closely. It's the metal reinforcement piece that's damn near impossible to find. The plastic air dam itself is a dime-a-dozen part.
I'll try to get some good pics of a loose one I straightened/primed for a guy here. Hopefully he still has it sitting on his parts shelf. With some work a reasonable duplicate could be made...definitely would be a few hours but the thing wasn't so complex that you would say "no way".
They were likely painted black originally since the "marching orders" seemed to be a black finish on things hanging under the car that might be seen.
I suspect the repro guys like ILT would be doing the math on this piece to see if a repro makes sense.
Exactly - go back up to my post (#50) and look at the pics closely. It's the metal reinforcement piece that's damn near impossible to find. The plastic air dam itself is a dime-a-dozen part.
Terry
Hmmm interesting. So it's just a small metal piece behind the rubber part that is vertical to the ground when mounted? What function does it serve? I know the rubber part is really solid so I don't see why you would need metal behind it to reinforce anything. Also I would assume in this location these would rust out pretty fast.
Maybe if someone could come up with one to copy, a few of us could get together and have 6 or 8 of them built. Be more cost effective to have multiples made you know?Im in depending on price.. Keep me posted
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Originally Posted by vette442
Exactly - go back up to my post (#50) and look at the pics closely. It's the metal reinforcement piece that's damn near impossible to find. The plastic air dam itself is a dime-a-dozen part
Terry
Yup, I already knew that Terry. I've been looking for one for years. Any chance you want to send the ratty one you scored to Ron (droptopRon) so he can get an estimate on repopping them? He said he'll pay return shipping.
Maybe if someone could come up with one to copy, a few of us could get together and have 6 or 8 of them built. Be more cost effective to have multiples made you know?Im in depending on price.. Keep me posted
Im the OP on this ancient thread, and I'm in to buy a couple if they get repo'ed.
February 9th, 2012, 10:53 AM
I went down to the shop this morning to take off the piece in question and snap detailed pics for you but it isn't there like I thought it was. I was thinking the back piece of the air dam was it the other day when I looked. The air dam is in place but that is it. I took off the air dam (six or seven bolts) and it appears to be made up of two separate plastic pieces stapled together. 
