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Old Feb 28, 2023 | 01:08 PM
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67 442 fuel pump NON AC car

Seems I can only get a AC equipped mechanical pump for my non AC car. What should I do with the extra line (return line)?
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 01:41 PM
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Cap it.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 02:11 PM
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Cap it.
I understand it can’t be under much pressure but it internally regulated differently?
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 03:40 PM
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You can't find a two port pump for your application because the factory pump for the 1967 442 was P/N 6416836, rated at 6 psi and having three ports. That is also AC 40523. All 1967 442s, with or without A/C, came with fuel return and a three port pump. This is shown in Figure 8-2 of the Chassis Service Manual. Are you sure there isn't a fuel return line somewhere on the frame rail?

By the way, a two-port pump would be P/N 6416835, also AC 40522.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 03:42 PM
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The 67 442 had the return line like the AC cars, a new stock fuel pump should not be an issue with or without return line.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by joe_padavano
The factory pump for the 1967 442 was P/N 6416836, rated at 6 psi and having three ports. That is also AC 40523. All 1967 442s, with or without A/C, came with fuel return and a three port pump. Are you sure there isn't a fuel return line somewhere on the frame rail?
hell maybe there is. I was using rock auto as reference and it kept showing A/C 3 port/return non A/C from tank and pump to carb. I’ll check when I get home.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 04:18 PM
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I'm glad this topic came up. I was advised by a friend who use tobe a NAPA dealer and he said that mechanical pumps are getting hard to find. I checked Rock Auto and all they they listed for a 66 442 was an electric pump. I checked Summit for the Carter pump M4516 which is a great pump for the 66/67 442's and they said only 9 pumps left. I have no idea what's going on if what my friend said is correct but it could be that demand has dropped low enough that they have been discontinued. Take it for what it's worth.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
I'm glad this topic came up. I was advised by a friend who use tobe a NAPA dealer and he said that mechanical pumps are getting hard to find. I checked Rock Auto and all they they listed for a 66 442 was an electric pump. I checked Summit for the Carter pump M4516 which is a great pump for the 66/67 442's and they said only 9 pumps left. I have no idea what's going on if what my friend said is correct but it could be that demand has dropped low enough that they have been discontinued. Take it for what it's worth.
Yeah, sadly, after half a century the demand for parts starts to dry up. I've started to stockpile some items myself.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 05:36 PM
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Thanks Mike, My 66 doesn’t need a pump but I just ordered that Carter pump so I have it..
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 06:18 PM
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Thanks Mike, My 66 doesn’t need a pump but I just ordered that Carter pump so I have it..
Andy - I was also going to order a spare Carter pump M4516 for my '67 400ci, but when I did the "check fitment" function on the Summit website it said "does not fit" '67 Old's 4-4-2. Want to double check with you guys who know much more than I do before I pull the trigger.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 06:24 PM
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I ordered it and yes, its now saying that doesn’t fit. Mike Richards is usually 100% spot on so I didn’t even look before ordering..I will text Mike tomorrow, he is probably sleeping right now. Hopefully it does fit
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 06:25 PM
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Mike, see comments on does that carter fit 66-67..need your feedback..I ordered but one member shows summit showing its not a fit..
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 06:35 PM
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Mike, see comments on does that carter fit 66-67..need your feedback..I ordered but one member shows summit showing its not a fit..
Andy - So to add on to Summit's comments, I believe they said it fit Old's 330, 350, 425, and 455. I bet the 400 not being included was just an error of omission, but better safe than sorry!
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 06:42 PM
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Mike, see comments on does that carter fit 66-67..need your feedback..I ordered but one member shows summit showing its not a fit..
The Carter Muscle Car Series pump #M4516 is an exact copy of the OEM 66/67 442 pump. This car has one on it.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
The Carter Muscle Car Series pump #M4516 is an exact copy of the OEM 66/67 442 pump. This car has one on it.
Mike - Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated!
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 08:54 PM
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So order the carter m4516 and roll with it?
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 09:20 PM
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Well I do have a feed and return. My apologies. I got mine from oreilly; precision brand.
Old Feb 28, 2023 | 09:50 PM
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My suggestion of capping it was if you did not have a return line. Since you do it's n/a.
Old Mar 1, 2023 | 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 66-3X2 442
The Carter Muscle Car Series pump #M4516 is an exact copy of the OEM 66/67 442 pump. This car has one on it.
thought you were sleeping Pops.. thanks for the reply..so The 9 psi of that pump didn’t seem to be a problem I assume for tri carb?. Hope your doing well my friend
Old Mar 1, 2023 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream67Olds442
Andy - I was also going to order a spare Carter pump M4516 for my '67 400ci, but when I did the "check fitment" function on the Summit website it said "does not fit" '67 Old's 4-4-2.
People need to really stop relying on third party catalogs as fitment guides. When it comes to Olds motor mounts, fuel pumps, water pumps, etc, the catalogs are nearly always wrong. Start with the factory parts book listing and cross that to other brands.
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