Months ago my son was driving his 68, and a guy on the street flagged him down, and said he saw him driving a Olds, an d he had one for sale, and wanted to sell it to a Olds type guy. He said it is a 67 W30, 4SP car. It is completely torn apart, he had a guy working on it, and he died of covid, and now this guy is in his 80s, and no way interested or able to put it together. He gave my son his number,and I called him, that was about 4 months ago, and he told me about it, but said he was not ready to get rid of it, for a while. Any way, he call me last nite, and wanted to know if I was interested, as he wanted to sell it local, and not deal with anyone far away, and did not want to part it out. I told him, if it is all there, don't part it out. He thinks this car fixed up is worth a fortune, and I told him, yes if all there and fixed up , it has real valve, but not what he thinks it is, he said $150-200K, and I told him I don;t think that much, but maybe I'm wrong,as I'm not a 67 expert, I have a 70 W30, and I know most them are not getting this type of money. He has it listed on Ebay, with a starting bid of $25K. I taked to my son, and we both think to much money, and to big of a project, for us. Any expert, have any input?

 

I'm no expert, but the kind of money in his head is for a finished car, as far I'm concerned. 67 W-30s aren't 69 H/Os.

 

He does not have any Doc's to prove it is a real W-30. That kind of kills the conversation doesn't it?

 

I would at least go look at it and keep the conversation up.
Who knows how he’ll feel in 6 months when he has some bills due.

 

At best, a needs paint and interior and cosmetics and mechanics resto 4 speed W-30, with everything, put together and running, I would say would be 25k. A perfectly restored one is worth probably 80-90. I've got a runner 442 non-w30, no rust, that needs everything that I would say is worth 12.

It's not on ebay right now. Guy needs to either have docs or have every little thing that makes it a W30 and be right. I would accept a POP with the plugged AIR head matching, along with the right rear, red fenderwells, complete OAI system, and battery cable going through the frame that looks like it's been there for a while.

Being in CA, I will assume it is not rusty. If everything is there and nice, I think it's worth 15.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25661520978...Bk9SR7bsnNvjZA

 

Fantasy island, surely by way of Barret Jackson excesses, etc... I would send him these screenshots.

There is asking.


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Vs reality.

 

 

If the last 4 pictures are of the car in question it is NOT a W30. That is for sure!

 

Also a close friend of mine bought the red car from Gateway. Not for that money but it is truly a real 1967 W30 car.

 

I should have said it is not listed as a car on ebay. That's in parts; I didn't look there. Good job.

 

How's that for a coincidence... love it.

 

There is a very easy way to tell a real 1967 W30 from those pictures.

 

Also, I have never seen 5C before, and nowhere else I can find does. I'll update my cowl tag sheet if someone knows it.

 

That's why I posted the money shot. ;-)

 

Yes the money shot is the data plate! It proves that this car is NOT a 1967 W30. I will go out and tell it now. A real W30 in 1967 would carry an E above LAN and sequence number. THAT is the definitive item on the data plate that denotes a real factory W30! Period!!!!!!!

 

Guy got duped it sounds like if the cowl tag info is 100% correct. I know little of 67 w cars.

 

I think it has a lot of W parts, but the body is not one of them. Frame might be. There's no picture of the engine, for instance.

 

I'll add one other little note about frames of 66 and 67 W30 cars. There is a specific way to tell if those are real also. Markings in 4 places will tell you if the frame is a real W30.

 

There were 4 W30's built in January of 67. I parted out one of them and there's another one known that does not have the "E". I still have the cowl tag tracing that I sent to Curt Anderson. I wasn't smart enough to keep the tag when I scrapped the car. The "E" is thought to be a Fisher Body function that was done to the bodies before being sent to the assy. plant. I think Curt thinks it might be the battery cables being installed by Fisher. You are correct all of the 67 W30 known cars after the January builds had the "E".
Another tidbit about the 67 W30's. It has always been thought there were 502 built but Kurt Schubert went to the GM Heritage Center and found the production records. According to what he found there were 504 built. The 67 W30 I parted had a 4.11 rear axle and you could see where they tried to hammer over the SD code and retamped Q5. It could be that they intended to carry the 4.11 over from 66 to 67 and the 4 January builds had them. They must have changed it to the 3.55/3.90 & 4.33 being the optional axles. The 4.11 can be verified in the 67 PIM. Here's the 67 Production numbers found and the cowl tag tracing of the W30 I parted.
The 4.11 rear axle I pulled from the car still exists today & and is in a 66 Track Pack W30 Sports Coupe that Lenny Datello owns. I put it in that car when I sold it to Chuck Ortiz.
Here's a picture of that 4.11 axle.

 

Yes and the January builds were very few.

 

Yes and if this car is one of those 4 built in January it would be 3 known 67 built units. Curt Anderson seems to think the 502 number is correct. Who knows but the more we learn it helps the pedigree of these cars.

 

As said not a W30 IMO but could be a era converted Track Pack car, wonder what rear is out back. Core support looks to be factory punched or corners smoothed nicely. So much time has passed and cars change hands and stories grow like the children's game...whisper down the lane... The line about 5 cars with a bench seat I would call BS. Would be an awesome car when done though.

 

So Mike, is it possible this car is one of the 4 and does not have the E on the tag? The core support-sure looks correct.

 

It's a January build, so if it's a real car and the other January builds not having the "E", yes.

 

I've got a loose core support from a factory w-30 if we need comparison pictures.

 

Without at least the POP or the broadcast card or whatever it's called, no way to verify factory W30. It could however be one of the 4 January builds without the "E" as mine is; pic of my car's body tag attached.

 

I have seen 2 reported factory W cars with no letter at all where this car has the S. Dont know build dates of those. So would those January build cars have a letter there or nothing at all? Most 442s have letters in that spot. S is a popular one.

 

Koda, I've found 2 "C"'s on 65 in the 5th row position. No idea what it means.
(and I know 65's & 66's codes changed a bit)



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Pewter car with black painted roof and Heater delete it would seem.

 

Peter, it's a code for a very low option car. I also don't have W on my group 5 codes. So I need both C and W, hah.

 

Any guess's what the 2H means?

 

Heater delete.

 

I'snt 5W deluxe seat belt retractors?

 

Been on eBay over two months ..it’s 25k or best offer. He keeps updating the add saying it has to go.

seems desperate

 

why isn’t the body one of them?

 

For the reasons discussed above.

 

seems like 66 3x2 is saying there isn’t proof it’s not because the early cars didn’t get the specific identification stamp on the ID plate.

early in this discussion there’s some incorrect info saying ALL the 67 W cars got the stamp.

that’s all I’m saying

 

Correct. It was also said that there were 4 cars with that. Out of 504. That's less than 1%. Plus, there's other issues that others have noted. The odds of this car being a W-30 are worse than some Ukrainian bombshell showing up on my doorstep tomorrow and offering to bear my children in exchange for asylum because she likes the articles I write on the internet. Sure, both of these can happen, but it's not the way to bet.

 

Since this car has an S where an E or no letter would be it is doubtful it is a Factory W car. Since the "kit" was available sans red wells, chrome oil fill cap and chrome valve covers it could be a converted car. Heater delete is a cool option as well as tu-tone paint. Perhaps a wrecked W car was sourced for the red wells, core support, and other parts.