So what's going on around here? Coppercutlass has posted alerts on multiple threads about some sort of ban on "non stock talk" related to various topics.

So we have 40+ year old cars and we're not supposed to discuss anything other than what the car came from the factory with? So no talk about forged pistons, headers, radial tires, lowering springs, gas charged shocks, EFI, electronic ignition, halogen headlights, non-lead body filler, non-lacquer paint, etc?

What's going on?

 

News to me. I will admit that I immediately move any post about Chevy motor swaps to the Non-Olds subforum, but other than that I have no idea what he's talking about.

 

I was sorting through the engine threads to move the more performance oriented to the ... Performance forum. I even sent those involved pm's to let them know out of courtesy. Hey, I was the one who helped get the performance section to begin with. If we don't want to utilize it then maybe, we ought to just delete it.

 

Ok so my thread was recently moved https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...ml#post1074349

It was under the small block section. It was moved for being deemed "not stock" . IM sorry but there is no set standards for that part of the forum. Its an olds engine , uses many stock parts, and its a small block. I did a lot of common work done to even the mildest of rebuilt small blocks.

So to other moderators I want to know how you can split hairs to determine that and even more important how the poster can follow guidelines that don't exist. Essentially whats the standard. Whats defined as stock.

I got forged pistons, cam, head work. Same as any other engine that's rebuilt. The same methods apply between the 2.

I followed the rules that where there. It was a small block engine in the small block engine side.

Do I race? yes but I also do a lot of street driving and many guys that are non racers want similar set ups so I feel the info is still helpful to many hobbyist whether it be mild or street strip or race. My car is street strip. NOT RACE

How can we deem a build stock and not when that word can be interpreted many ways. The forum has no set definition to follow. I feel like a stock engine is a stock one that's never been rebuilt or one built to stock specs no mods . That's stock. I would venture to say 90 percent of hobbyist do the same modifications I do . Mine are on the other end of the spectrum but its still heavily driven on the street and same methods used. still and engine and a small block olds.

For the record my lack of competitiveness is totally against the definition of racing. I have never actually won a race. Went runner up once. I mainly go to the track for fun and to see what my changes net me in gains etc etc. So by definition I'm not a racer. More of a tuner as I'm always looking for improvements. Since my car see's more street action that track its still a street car. Definitely not race.

 

If you are annoyed by your recent move by a moderator i made a thread on the suggestions forum you can chime in on. I feel your build is not race and neither is mine. Its street strip. and yours is even more people friendly than mine. They are taking valuable info from the non racer who still wants power.

 

Ah, that makes sense. What's the dividing line between the "regular" forum and the "performance" forum?

 

My "New 350 Build" was moved as well. In my opinion it's not a "race" build by any stretch. 9.4:1, Iron heads (unported) and a simple flat tappet cam that I've recommended for street performance a hundred times. Then you have to wonder why it wasn't moved three months ago. Nothing has changed since the thread was first posted.

 

Guess they only want the chalk mark rebuilds with rebuilder cast pistons with non stock piston heights over there..lol

 

I think the race section is more for race specific things like suspension set ups , possibly safety related subjects about race cars , custom race blocks , going to a ford 9 in. rear , roll cages, etc etc.

I still see engines in a linear form where race info is valuable even to the stock guy. Like if the guy with a really mild bbo wants to go to roller rockers the race guy will know and the theory is the same between the two engines . Engine tech is Engine tech

 

Not picking sides, but it is racing andhigh performance


ymmv


p.s. when I replied to your other thread I thought it was a race only area..


Some split hairs.
I'd guess a thread on a stock 70 spec into a 77 car would get ya bounced from the "stock area" as that be a highly moded 77 engine..
All I can say is their sand box..

 

Kinda like fighting city hall.
Their sand box they make the rules, Maybe they should add a highperformance/race engine area..
All I know is I'd never look in the race and highperformance area for a basic engine rebuild tech with basic mods..
but I'm not king


wonder if a mid 70's 350 with 68-70 heads is to modded for the small block area?

 

I agree but high performance is anything doing away from stock performance.

 

What if someone wants to build their Cutlass 350-2 bbl engine to W-31 power levels? Is that stock or high performance? It's both, so where to post?

 

I don't have a problem with them making the rules But there is no said rules on the sites engine forum to follow.

How can you enforce a rule on someone who didn't know it was a rule because the info was not layed out there. Kind of unfair it was moved with NO PRIOR communication or agreement considering there was no guidelines to follow.

Which even in municipalities once laws are passed those who are braking them get grandfathered in in many situations. Like my driveway. I cant do anything new with asphalt in my city but i can replace existing with existing ( which was asphalt ) with no permit. They tried popping me lol. They got a funny email

 

I'd better ask that my posts be moved to the performance forum. I'm guilty on almost all those measures.

 

I moved the posts from Marks build to this thread and merged the site suggestions thread here, it may be out of order due to the times posted. I'll put the question to the members. Is Cutlassefi's sbo and Copper's build considered performance? What should the dividing line be? Should it be based on Dyno HP, track time, estimated HP, type of build parts, etc?

 

To be quite honest, I don't really look at the forums where threads are posted.
I usually click new posts and read what I want and skip the rest. When done,
click mark forums read and move on.

 

I see engine tech as linear as any smart person should. Race tech isn't only for the street.

 

Thread is gone, just an fyi

 

You see I have been posting real world results for years. NO BS. I post my build, my e/t and all other info guys can use that as a base line for realistic real world results . I post my changes and update my gains or losses etc etc. Its useful for even the novice who does not know what it take to run a certain e/t and or maintain streetability.

 

Its not gone all the comments have been moved here. No need to have three threads going with the same discussion.

 

Think if you are going to split builds like that you should have an engine sub forum(baby forum) in the race highperformance forum . That keep the engines out of the performance car build/mod.
or heck add the performance engine baby forum to the engine forum , stock small block, stock big block and performance.. WIN.


Not my sand box, but a 1977 olds 350 built to 1970 spec's using the better heads and newer tech, faster cam ramps and more lift but still has the same manners as a stocker.. that is blueprinted, what side of the fence it fall on..? if it was going into a 70 it be a stock build, putting it in a 77 it isn't.
Again not my sandbox.. but moving mild engine builds to the race/performance forum they'll get lost...

 

Only going by what I got when I clicked the email of an new post and got, no thread ____________________________

 

You do a towing cam , edelbrock performer intake , big valves , a little bowl work , adjustable rockers and its no longer stock. To many that's still considered stock lol. That's whats so funny to me.

The idea that most people want a stock engine is funny because most guy I'm gonna say 80 percent of people want to do these simple things to get a little more performance but this would still be considered a stockish build but certainly not stock at all.

 

By the way this belongs in the site section. Not general discussion as this is a site related issue not something we are bs.ing about.

 

What? I just made popcorn too.

 

I am on the fence on this one, yes Copper's car IS high performance but it is also a SBO. I am much more interested in it being an Olds 350 and not caring as much about BBO builds.

 

Is a 1969 442 engine build a highperformance build or a run of the mill engine build..? things that make you go hummmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

After sleeping on it, I moved Marks and Coppers threads back to SBO. I thought it would be a nice draw to separate the performance type builds from the SBO/BBO sections to attract more interest in Olds Performance.

Thanks all for your contributions.

 

Thank you.
When I do my stroker, THAT will go in high performance/race for sure.

Thanks.

 

The reason why i dont post in the race and hi perf. Section is because there isnt many racers here and most people who come here arent looking to race. Most engine related question, builds , etc etc go on the engine side. For suspension ans other stuff i go to yellow bullet. Lots of sharp dudes there.

 

Good luck satisfying everyone as to what does and does not count as high performance!.

Should the dividing line mean something that is no longer happy to idle in traffic?.
Maybe building something not legal for highway use?. Subquestion - which states?.
Or something that deviates in any way from how the car left the factory, I mean manifolds, camshafts, headers, carbs here. Not reboring worn blocks or regrinding worn crankshafts. But a rebore means an increase in displacement, so should that count?.

If we find someone who can keep everybody happy perhaps they might turn their attention to a cure for the common cold, fixing the exact value of pi, and dealing with world poverty.

Let's not have this become an issue, let admin decide, mostly they get it about right, and this is a real tough one to get right.

To quote a leading British Appeals Court judge: "Hard cases make for bad laws".
To misquote Abraham Lincoln: "you can't please all the people all of the time".

Roger.

 

Yeah, but is it art?