12 States Banning Gas-Powered Cars Despite Their Popularity Amongst Americans (msn.com)

 

Lets keep the derogatory political comments out of this, be respectful and discuss it rationally. It's easy for the states to say they are going to do this, actually doing it is something totally different. I don't think most of the general public is ready for EV's yet. What this will do is drive up the value of gas powered used vehicles in these states.

 

I have to agree with this. I just have to say this however, ck the states that are going down this road , enough said....

 

I didn't find much info from the above link, so here's one with more detail.

https://www.cnet.com/home/electric-v...-powered-cars/

Caveats, this is starting in 2035 and only applies to new car sales. IMO, I see this getting pushed back unless there's some seismic shift in EV production and infrastructure. This is especially true now that automakers are moving towards more hybrid type products. Who knows what new inventions will be coming over the next decade.

BTW, I see that the supposed new Chinese batteries (BYD and CATL) that can charge super fast can't actually do that due lack of infrastructure everywhere, even in China. They require 650 kilowatt charges which aren't really available. Most of China has 120kilowatt charging and Tesla is at 250 kilowatt.

 

Total clickbait BS. Its a dead giveaway when its a couple vague paragraphs and then endless ads.. just delete this thread so fewer people click the link and feed the BS.

 

Hokum.

 

Exactly. Don't let this alarmist crap whip up hysteria and spread it via low-information conspiracy theorists.

 

That page is clickbait for low intelligence people. We are not them. It is very hard to ban something in use by consumers. This is what is called an illegal taking. So, as long as gasoline cars are in service, it can be considered an illegal taking by the government to interfere with their function, especially for the poor, who cannot afford new vehicles.

There may well be laws on the banning of the SALES of new ICE cars, but, as an automotive engineer, I can assure you the game is still in play. My employer, Toyota, is betting heavily on an even spread. We are trying to ace Tesla in batteries, but also go for hydrogen in terms of combustion engines or fuel cells. What I think the cars of the future will be are electric motor cars powered by batteries and hydrogen fueled fuel cells that will work similar to current hybrids. Buy hydrogen, plug in at home, or plug in when you have time on the road.

I do not foresee ICE engines in cars stopping for the next 20 years. Then, I foresee ICE cars on the road for another 20. I think you may have to remember where gas stations are in 2075.

 

In 20 years I'll be rolling a wheelchair most likely. That's my future EV.

 

Aliens will provide us with a much more advanced power source that will make batteries obsolete

 

Oh aye, and even the 17th century Scots had something to say about this very way of thinking: "And wishes were horses pure men wald ryde." (If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.)

 

The key word in most of the bills are "NEW" cars, so the vast majority of vehicles on the road will be still gas powered!! The 2035 deadline is gong to have a ton of problems trying to provide enough charging stations, especially for Apartments, townhouses, parking garages and inner cities situations where people can only park on the street. Not mention the countries power grid, hell we can't use are A/C at times because of overload and brown outs, IMO, this is pretty much a pipe dream!!

 

Was just thinking that...... but after a couple plates of beans, mine may still be gas powered!

 

I'll have a Hyabusa engine in my jazzy scooter. Gas isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Now there is a real solution! As said, the power will need Billions invested for everyone to go electric, along with faster charging and better range.

 

Yeah but I don't want to know where they'll probe to find it.

 

If in 20 years I am still alive, that would make me one of the oldest living males on my side of the family.
Not sure how I would feel about that lol. Most likely will be plant food by then.

 

The transition from horse-drawn carriages to horse-less carriages didn't happen overnight (it spanned decades), neither will the transition from gas to electric powered vehicles. I chuckle every time I see the alarmist's post blaming insufficient charging stations and power-grid infrastructure as reasons this CANNOT POSSIBLY EVER HAPPEN, lol. Just a few weeks ago I was gassing up on I-70 in Colorado and across the street from the Marathon was an Arby's with 12 (12!) Tesla charging stations, every one of them empty. Seems the infrastructure is ahead of the demand in some parts of this country.

Besides, once everyone ELSE is driving EV's, that'll leave more gasoline for ME and my gas-powered toys!

 

Click bait? Tell that to Jaguar/Tata...

https://jalopnik.com/jaguars-latest-...s-f-1851618355

Jag is closing down production, stop selling all their current models, and retooling to go all electric.

 

I NEVER stated that it would not happen at some point, I simply stated that meeting the 2035 deadline to only sell EV's might be a pipe dream,

 

This is a perfect example of why you should NOT simply believe or link to random articles on the web that may or may not be true. First question to ask yourself is who or what is "Kobocents" or "Steve Cummings", and why should you believe them? Do you even know if this was posted by a real person or a bot? And if you spend the time to actually research a claim before you re-post it, you'll find that in nearly all cases these are PROPOSED laws limiting the sale of NEW cars, not in-place laws banning ICE vehicles (or did you not get past the headline?). Until the total carbon footprint of EVs is actually determined and the electric grid gets dramatically upgraded, no politician who wants to be re-elected will pass these laws.

 

When you accept the fact that the power grid will not handle it and many politicians will not allow for the power grid to be upgraded, will not allow nuclear power, keep pushing other sources of power that are not self sustaining, you have to come to the conclusion that EV on a mass scale is not anywhere to be seen in the near future.

Our larger problem is that they keep pushing this stuff and forcing some manufacturers to get an electric product on the market. They spend HUGE amounts of money developing a product that is nearly crippling the company because they can't sell it. With not being able to give details, I can say I know first hand about this situation.

 

Besides, once everyone ELSE is driving EV's, that'll leave more gasoline for ME and my gas-powered toys! [/QUOTE]

I have heard this argument many times, unfortunately I say BULLSHIT!!

If demand for oil goes down, rest assured the oil refineries will simply cut production. They will shut down whatever is needed to keep production wherever it needs to be to ensure their profit margin.

If history has shown us anything, oil is one place that will almost always show a profit.

 

For those interested in finding out more for what is and what we need to support more EVs, here's an excellent source straight from the experts, not a MSM source vying for clicks.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-ev-tra...ned-2658463709

 

Wood alcohol and some changes to my carb. I will be good. And I will even carefully distill wood alcohol few time and mix it with my OJ. I think it was 1/3 alcohol 2/3 OJ. I did 50/50 once and it knocked me on my ***. Growing up in the country and college did teach me a few things.
************WARNING NOT DISTILLING WOOD ALCOHOL CORRECTLY WILL LEAD TO BLINDNESS OR DEATH *********************

 

Dude, wood alcohol is methanol. Doesn't matter how you distill it, it's still poisonous.

 

That was a great read, thanks for posting it.

Some highlights:

more than 95 percent of residential transformers would be overloaded if Palo Alto hits its EV and electrical-appliance targets by 2030

multiple L2 chargers on one distribution transformer can reduce its life from an expected 30 to 40 years to 3 years

A cluster of uncoordinated L2 charging could create an excessive peak load that would overload or blow out a transformer, especially when they are toward the end of their lives, which many already are

Supplies for distribution transformers are low, and costs have skyrocketed from a range of $3,000 to $4,000 to $20,000 each

 

The grid can and will be upgraded to accommodate EVs. Folks cling to it but honestly its a moot point. Yep it needs upgraded. Yep it'll cost money. Yep it'll take time. Why is it such an insurmountable problem? We have the capabilities and technology to upgrade it...

 

But do we have the funds to do it? By 2035?

 

You guys better be careful or this man is going to come looking for your gasoline....

 

I'll be blunt here. Let's assume we have the lines and transformers and service at each house to do it. An extra 50 amps of 220V. Roughly 10kW. Your oven on full blast, all night. But, let's assume we have upgraded the service, everyone's house wiring, the local wiring, the local transformers, feed lines to the substations, and power back to your plant. All that's doable and just takes time and money which will be paid for by taxes which come from all the people, even those who don't have EVs.

The issue, however, is how to power it. There are only three viable power generation plans that can do that. Solar, wind, hydro, geothermal, none of those have the raw output and continuous output needed. The only viable methods are coal, gas, and nuclear fission. The one nonviable method is nuclear fusion. Fusion is a long way off. Fossil fuels and nuclear fission are politically non-tenable. Therefore, there are not power methods that are both acceptable and viable to make it work, thus, it will not work under current technology and political climes. The only question is if people who think they are qualified to have an opinion on this because they're an activist will bankrupt us and ruin the infrastructure of the country trying do it off wind and solar and all the warm, fuzzy power sources, or will they listen to people that actually know about these things. I only know this on an academic level; I took power gen classes in school, but, hell, we have retired plant operators here. Professional career >>> some activist person's feelings. This isn't left vs right; it's reality vs pipe dream. Let us put down the pipe.

 

wait till they figure out, you can't move heavy stuff with electric stuff very far.. Time to buy a diesel now..

 

I hope they make gasoline hard to sell... then I can drive my big blocks every day.

 

This is about large trucks and I have mentioned about this situation before but could not give much details about it at the time because of other factors. I still can't say very much but I will at least post this. What he is saying is 100% correct. I know the situation first hand and know Andrew himself. He is VERY respected in his field and was a major player in delivering the covid vaccines the second they were available to be distributed. Not wanting this to turn into vaccine debate, just saying he was respected enough to be at the TOP of the list to transport them.

But yes, 30 trucks require more electricity than the entire city of Joliet Illinois uses.

 

You all are screwed. Better buy an Oldsmobile diesel now. Then when the bans come you can put veggie oil, ATF, motor oil, etc. in your tank and keep going. At least I have my Ford diesel truck. A modern diesel does no good since you have to put cat pee in the tank too.

 

It's easier now to delete this system and retune on diesels than gas engines.

 

I have seen this to be true. I know several young men who remove all the systems and flash program them. If I have a modern diesel, I will have this done. I do not want to Roll Coal, however.

 

I have a couple friends who've done the complete delete (including EGR) & flashed new program(s) on Ford turbo diesels. I consider myself one of the extremely lucky few w/ an original OEM 6L (2003) Navistar. I've always had respect for IH engines. It was Phord who introduced the changes not Navistar. I digress.

 

I wasn't concerned with price, rather availability. There will always be some residual demand for gasoline, therefore there will always be someone to drill, pump, transport, refine, then transport it to my local pump.. Curbing the total demand (rate) so what we have left on this planet last longer is the key to sustaining the existing fossil-fueled fleet of vehicles well beyond the life expectancy of anyone posting on this thread or the life of those vehicles. Additionally, reducing the rate of consumption of fossil fuels is the key to addressing climate change. During Covid, world-wide fossil fuel consumption dropped dramatically and it didn't take long for measurably clearer skies to prevail (it just didn't last long enough to result in a noticeable shift of climate....... Mother Nature is not light on her feet). Fossil fuel consumption did not drop to zero during Covid, just low enough to have a (temporary) positive impact on the GHG emissions.